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Post by sandypine on Aug 11, 2024 11:42:32 GMT
No. Beliefs are just opinions. Some/many create an invisible position, stand point. They then feel others need to argue against their stand point. I don't bother with those petty games. Not if that belief is also demonstrably true. Such as the belief that in the decimal system 2+2=4. If a belief is demonstrably trye it becomes a Fact. All The Best How do you demonstrate truth. I can take 2 pieces and another 2 pieces and I can make four as being demonstrably true but if someone beats the shit out of me every time I do not make it five it becomes demonstrably true that it is five and that becomes fact. Punishment of wrong think is active all the time and facts are becoming ever more difficult to ascertain. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 13:36:58 GMT
Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. Public Policy is made by politicians who believe in things - it is not something delivered down from on high carved in stone. You mentioned abortion before - the relaxation in abortion Law came about because politicians believed that change was needed. There is no inherent 'human right' to abortion. American women's reproductive rights were protected under Federal law for fifty years. They have now been deprived of those Federal protections, which means that their rights now vary from state to state. I wouldn't call that a 'relaxation' . That is a rolling back of women's rights to reproductive healthcare. In some states, women are now having to carry nonviable fetuses to term, risking their own lives and future reproductive ability, and little girls who are incest victims will be forced to give birth. American women are outraged by this and will vote accordingly. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 11, 2024 13:50:26 GMT
The King must be very proud of what is happening within his kingdom. He's a keen admirer of Salafism/Wahhabism, which is found in hardline Islamic countries like Saudi Arabia. He's a pampered privileged pillock. He is so far removed from reality that whatever he says is pretty much meaningless for ordinary people. I completely agree. Those billionaire Prince Saudis with their supercars aren't the ones being oppressed by the autocracy that he so admires. He hides out in Scotland while betraying the English people. Just look at the state of his own kids and family relations. Didn't he also bang that trout whilst married to Diana? Thanks to Victoria, who bonked the dopey German, we're left with this house of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha who changed their name to try and fool the plebs.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 14:05:52 GMT
I'm not inside your head, Bentley. You tell me. It's your point. You don’t need to be . You need to be able to explain your claim that the apocalyptic religion based on the failure of man to adhere to it ,has failed because man hasn't adhered to it . I didn't say that Christianity was "based on the failure of man to adhere to it". You wrote: Yes Jesus failed . But the New Testament predicted that .And I replied: I would argue that Christianity continues to fail. What has it solved?If you're saying that Christianity was doomed to fail because of mankind's flaws, who is to blame for the fact that his creation is flawed? And if your god is omniscient, what was the point of the whole exercise if he knew in advance that it would fail? |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 14:24:46 GMT
Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. The world is becoming just as brutal as it was before Christianity. This is the problem. You have been brought up with a PC education and just hand me the stock replies. The Church is under attack and you are one of those people attacking it through your education. A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
A Christian is defined by his or her behaviour. It's not a badge. It is a way of life. To quote the bible, ye shall know them by their fruits.
The bible also says that a woman should marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22: 28-29) and that a man can sell his daughter as a maidservant (Exodus 21:7-11). Are we to live by those rules? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 14:48:12 GMT
The world is becoming just as brutal as it was before Christianity. This is the problem. You have been brought up with a PC education and just hand me the stock replies. The Church is under attack and you are one of those people attacking it through your education. A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
A Christian is defined by his or her behaviour. It's not a badge. It is a way of life. To quote the bible, ye shall know them by their fruits.
The bible also says that a woman should marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22: 28-29) and that a man can sell his daughter as a maidservant (Exodus 21:7-11). Are we to live by those rules? Is this all you can do so as to avoid the point I made: ye shall know them by their fruits. I've played this game before and it is fruitless. We should get with the Christian message and stop supporting Satan.
Now lets look at some news. Just the other day there was a Muslim protest where a black police officer shouted through his loud hailer to leave your weapons at the mosque to avoid us arresting you.
Now do please observe this never happened in Britain before these Muslims turned up. Like I keep saying, know them by their fruits.
They are highly corrupt. Their immoral ways are in danger of corrupting a once decent Christian country. I believe this was the intention from the start.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 14:53:53 GMT
The bible also says that a woman should marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22: 28-29) and that a man can sell his daughter as a maidservant (Exodus 21:7-11). Are we to live by those rules? Is this all you can do so as to avoid the point I made: ye shall know them by their fruits. I've played this game before and it is fruitless. We should get with the Christian message and stop supporting Satan.
Now lets look at some news. Just the other day there was a Muslim protest where a black police officer shouted through his loud hailer to leave your weapons at the mosque to avoid us arresting you.
Now do please observe this never happened in Britain before these Muslims turned up. Like I keep saying, know them by their fruits.
They are highly corrupt. Their immoral ways are in danger of corrupting a once decent Christian country. I believe this was the intention from the start.
Your position is that the alternative to Christianity is supporting Satan? And nothing in between? Do you not think that good people can exist outside of religious belief? I reject religion, which means I also reject the concept of Satan, which is a religious construct. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2024 14:58:13 GMT
If you are not going to be influenced by the religion you follow what is the point of religion? Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. |
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Post by patman post on Aug 11, 2024 15:02:14 GMT
Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. With the Bible Belt covering Alabama Arkansas Georgia Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri North Carolina Oklahoma South Carolina Tennessee West Virginia and parts of: Florida Illinois Indiana Kansas New Mexico Ohio Texas Virginia, it must be as powerful a lobby as the NRA... |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 15:04:56 GMT
Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. It's all very well and good if you like the dominant religion, but what if some day you don't? What if some day the dominant religion is Islam? Are you going to be in favour of Islamic beliefs getting in the way of public policy? This is why religion has to stay out of politics. You can't force religious practices on the unwilling. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 15:06:48 GMT
The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. With the Bible Belt covering Alabama Arkansas Georgia Kentucky Louisiana Mississippi Missouri North Carolina Oklahoma South Carolina Tennessee West Virginia and parts of: Florida Illinois Indiana Kansas New Mexico Ohio Texas Virginia, it must be as powerful a lobby as the NRA... It has become increasingly powerful, as evidenced by the Supreme court justices who have rolled back women's rights. Next they want to go after contraception. Trump's running mate JD Vance has said he believes that people with children should have more votes than those without. Where would that lead? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 15:11:52 GMT
Is this all you can do so as to avoid the point I made: ye shall know them by their fruits. I've played this game before and it is fruitless. We should get with the Christian message and stop supporting Satan.
Now lets look at some news. Just the other day there was a Muslim protest where a black police officer shouted through his loud hailer to leave your weapons at the mosque to avoid us arresting you.
Now do please observe this never happened in Britain before these Muslims turned up. Like I keep saying, know them by their fruits.
They are highly corrupt. Their immoral ways are in danger of corrupting a once decent Christian country. I believe this was the intention from the start.
Your position is that the alternative to Christianity is supporting Satan? And nothing in between? Do you not think that good people can exist outside of religious belief? I reject religion, which means I also reject the concept of Satan, which is a religious construct. See Dante's Divine Comedy. Somewhere in it he meets Cicero. He was there, but on the outer edges of hell because he 'had done good works', but had rejected the faith. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 15:15:16 GMT
Your position is that the alternative to Christianity is supporting Satan? And nothing in between? Do you not think that good people can exist outside of religious belief? I reject religion, which means I also reject the concept of Satan, which is a religious construct. See Dante's Divine Comedy. Somewhere in it he meets Cicero. He was there, but on the outer edges of hell because he 'had done good works', but had rejected the faith. I translated quite a lot of Cicero when I was younger. Dante's Divine Comedy is, of course, not factual. If you want to believe in gobbledeygook, that is your prerogative. I am not motivated by fear of divine punishment. I am motivated by doing good for its own sake, without any expectation of reward. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 11, 2024 15:23:35 GMT
Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. Somebody started a thread about the funding of Mosques, and now it's just a bash Christian thread. It's all quite peculiar, especially when their arguments appear to be anti-Christian whilst claiming to be non-religious. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 15:29:51 GMT
The USA government print dollar bills with "In God We Trust" on every single one. I think God is highly entrenched in USA government. Somebody started a thread about the funding of Mosques, and now it's just a bash Christian thread. It's all quite peculiar, especially when their arguments appear to be anti-Christian whilst claiming to be non-religious. No-one is bashing Christians. I have said that all deserve representation regardless of their religion or lack of it. I respect your right to religion. Please respect my right to atheism. |
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