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Post by thomas on Aug 10, 2024 21:41:13 GMT
He's a pampered privileged pillock. He is so far removed from reality that whatever he says is pretty much meaningless for ordinary people. Unfortunately, the British Empire started to disintegrate when parliament took over from the Monarchy. And that is a sad fact. no it isnt. parliament took over from the monarchy in 1688 , and the British empire is regarded to have been at its height in 1919. its disintegration began in 1947 , nearly 260 years later. another "wassock talks cock " statement . |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 22:51:56 GMT
All should be represented regardless of faith or lack of faith. Politicians should not be influenced by religion when determining public policy. If you are not going to be influenced by the religion you follow what is the point of religion? Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 22:59:01 GMT
With respect, Baron, you're conflating religion with morality, overlooking the fact that morality can and does exist outside religion. You are also making sweeping assumptions about one religion. It is 100% false to assert that Christians would never allow taxes to be used to kill people. The Crusades were initiated by the church and supported by the church. How do you think they were funded? Crusade expeditions created huge demand for weapons, food and other supplies, levies for which contributed to the development of centralised financial administrations and the growth of papal and royal taxation. In fact, one of the outcomes of the crusades was the legacy of taxation. Your moral values are most likely from the Christian faith anyway. I mean I don't know you at all, but if you are a British citizen then you would have been brought up that way, and most of our laws are based on it as well. Before Christianity it was a very brutal world and you would not have liked it one bit. I know what the PC crap teaches so I don't need it repeating again. I'm always confronted with the crusades in order to justify death. The evil system has all the answers, just that they are often wrong or at the least highly misleading. A modern example of an atheist system was the soviet union. Not very pleasant, was it? We take it for granted that people we meet in Britain have Christian values. This is why we refrain from mixing with those from primitive cultures which do not. They are dangerous, as we are finding out to our horror. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 10, 2024 23:10:57 GMT
Your moral values are most likely from the Christian faith anyway. I mean I don't know you at all, but if you are a British citizen then you would have been brought up that way, and most of our laws are based on it as well. Before Christianity it was a very brutal world and you would not have liked it one bit. I know what the PC crap teaches so I don't need it repeating again. I'm always confronted with the crusades in order to justify death. The evil system has all the answers, just that they are often wrong or at the least highly misleading. A modern example of an atheist system was the soviet union. Not very pleasant, was it? We take it for granted that people we meet in Britain have Christian values. This is why we refrain from mixing with those from primitive cultures which do not. They are dangerous, as we are finding out to our horror. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. Yes Jesus failed . But the New Testament predicted that . |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 23:31:24 GMT
Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. Yes Jesus failed . But the New Testament predicted that . I would argue that Christianity continues to fail. What has it solved? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 10, 2024 23:53:55 GMT
Yes Jesus failed . But the New Testament predicted that . I would argue that Christianity continues to fail. What has it solved? You are evading my point . The New Testament predicted it would fail . So how did it fail ? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 10, 2024 23:54:42 GMT
I would argue that Christianity continues to fail. What has it solved? You are evading my point . The New Testament predicted it would fail . So how did it fail ? |
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Post by Ripley on Aug 11, 2024 0:26:29 GMT
I would argue that Christianity continues to fail. What has it solved? You are evading my point . The New Testament predicted it would fail . So how did it fail ? I'm not inside your head, Bentley. You tell me. It's your point. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 6:00:03 GMT
Your moral values are most likely from the Christian faith anyway. I mean I don't know you at all, but if you are a British citizen then you would have been brought up that way, and most of our laws are based on it as well. Before Christianity it was a very brutal world and you would not have liked it one bit. I know what the PC crap teaches so I don't need it repeating again. I'm always confronted with the crusades in order to justify death. The evil system has all the answers, just that they are often wrong or at the least highly misleading. A modern example of an atheist system was the soviet union. Not very pleasant, was it? We take it for granted that people we meet in Britain have Christian values. This is why we refrain from mixing with those from primitive cultures which do not. They are dangerous, as we are finding out to our horror. Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. The world is becoming just as brutal as it was before Christianity. This is the problem. You have been brought up with a PC education and just hand me the stock replies. The Church is under attack and you are one of those people attacking it through your education. A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
A Christian is defined by his or her behaviour. It's not a badge. It is a way of life. To quote the bible, ye shall know them by their fruits.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 11, 2024 6:55:58 GMT
If you are not going to be influenced by the religion you follow what is the point of religion? Of course you may be influenced by religion in the privacy of your own home. What I'm saying is that politicians shouldn't allow their personal religious beliefs to get in the way of public policy. Religion should not prescribe public policy. Government should not impose religious practices on the unwilling. Public Policy is made by politicians who believe in things - it is not something delivered down from on high carved in stone. You mentioned abortion before - the relaxation in abortion Law came about because politicians believed that change was needed. There is no inherent 'human right' to abortion. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 11, 2024 9:56:09 GMT
By which you mean "the Truth". The truth is only invisible to those who don't want to see it. All The Best No. Beliefs are just opinions. Some/many create an invisible position, stand point. They then feel others need to argue against their stand point. I don't bother with those petty games. Not if that belief is also demonstrably true. Such as the belief that in the decimal system 2+2=4. If a belief is demonstrably trye it becomes a Fact. All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Aug 11, 2024 10:00:50 GMT
No. Beliefs are just opinions. Some/many create an invisible position, stand point. They then feel others need to argue against their stand point. I don't bother with those petty games. Not if that belief is also demonstrably true. Such as the belief that in the decimal system 2+2=4. If a belief is demonstrably trye it becomes a Fact. 99% of what is contended in politics is in the domain of belief / opinion |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 11, 2024 10:08:23 GMT
Christianity doesn't have a monopoly on morality, nor is religion the source of morality. Yes, it was a brutal world before Christianity and it is just as brutal now as it ever was, so clearly Christianity has failed to bring the world peace, if that was its intent. I don't take it for granted that British people have Christian values. British people can be of any religion or none. Believe me, I know Christians who don't have what I think of as Christian values. The world is becoming just as brutal as it was before Christianity. This is the problem. You have been brought up with a PC education and just hand me the stock replies. The Church is under attack and you are one of those people attacking it through your education. A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
A Christian is defined by his or her behaviour. It's not a badge. It is a way of life. To quote the bible, ye shall know them by their fruits.
1) Anyone who is divorced is NOT a real Christian. 2) Anyone who has committed adultery is NOT a real Christian. 3) Anyone who follows a denomination that is divorced from Roman Catholicism is NOT a real Christian. 4) Anyone who follows a path of personal greed is NOT a real Christian (Man cannot serve both God and money). There are numerous actions of the Christian Church over the centuries that demonstrate it is not now, and has never been, an worthy arbiter of morality. All The Best |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 11, 2024 10:12:19 GMT
The world is becoming just as brutal as it was before Christianity. This is the problem. You have been brought up with a PC education and just hand me the stock replies. The Church is under attack and you are one of those people attacking it through your education. A Christian is someone who follows Christ.
A Christian is defined by his or her behaviour. It's not a badge. It is a way of life. To quote the bible, ye shall know them by their fruits.
1) Anyone who is divorced is NOT a real Christian. 2) Anyone who has committed adultery is NOT a real Christian. 3) Anyone who follows a denomination that is divorced from Roman Catholicism is NOT a real Christian. 4) Anyone who follows a path of personal greed is NOT a real Christian (Man cannot serve both God and money). There are numerous actions of the Christian Church over the centuries that demonstrate it is not now, and has never been, an worthy arbiter of morality. All The Best It ended the slave trade. Slaves were the normal thing in African culture. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 11, 2024 10:23:12 GMT
You are evading my point . The New Testament predicted it would fail . So how did it fail ? I'm not inside your head, Bentley. You tell me. It's your point. You don’t need to be . You need to be able to explain your claim that the apocalyptic religion based on the failure of man to adhere to it ,has failed because man hasn't adhered to it . |
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