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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 10, 2024 0:50:32 GMT
Because of the construction of laws and cultural norms. Egypt was built on Islam in general terms and the most common medical operation up to the 1920s was the removal of the right hand.. We have been putting eyes out and chopping ears off but the Christian ethos won through until even the death penalty for murder was done away with. In areas based on Islam a death sentence is still often applied and as regards questioning religion Christianity became much more tolerant of heretics. Islam leads to a rather formless society of angry people and even worse inculcates a general feeling of joylessness. OMG, how wrong can one be? 95% of what is considered to be Egyptian Culture predates Islam by about 3000 years. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 10, 2024 1:03:45 GMT
Does you have any evidence to support that claim? That's just another reason to fully separate Church and State. All The Best Yes, The Encyclopedia of Wars books.google.co.uk/books/about/Encyclopedia_of_Wars.html?id=1ghxQgAACAAJ&redir_esc=yIt documents all human conflicts and listed such things as the cause of the conflict, their outcome etc.. An unintentional aspect was, you could then list the wars based on religion, and only 7% were so. I think there's a few thousand listed. Take the two World Wars and the current Russia v Ukraine war, all three not religious based but many millions died. It is what it is, only 7% of human conflict is religious based. Of that 7%, there's some statistic of how many of those where Islamic. Telling me to buy a book and figure it out is NOT providing evidence of anything. BTW: which is it? Of all documented human wars, only 7% were not religious based. Or It is what it is, only 7% of human conflict is religious based.Because those two are exact opposites of one another... Have you even read the book? Did you actually understand it? All The Best
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 10, 2024 6:28:32 GMT
I suggested that any taxpayers' money given to protect mosques should be conditional on a quid pro quo - for example that the mosques are open to scrutiny (to check for extremist literature and hate preaching) and possibly also be required to allow women in. But this should probably be a requirement anyway. Churches are open to everyone.
And it should also be a requirement for the "Sharia courts". Our own courts (except in very rare cases) are open to everyone. At the moment the only reason we know that the sharia courts are breaking the law (in trying criminal cases) is via undercover filming.
Why are we (the British) so trusting - especially with people that openly admit they don't have our own interests at heart?
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 7:20:16 GMT
Because of the construction of laws and cultural norms. Egypt was built on Islam in general terms and the most common medical operation up to the 1920s was the removal of the right hand.. We have been putting eyes out and chopping ears off but the Christian ethos won through until even the death penalty for murder was done away with. In areas based on Islam a death sentence is still often applied and as regards questioning religion Christianity became much more tolerant of heretics. Islam leads to a rather formless society of angry people and even worse inculcates a general feeling of joylessness. OMG, how wrong can one be? 95% of what is considered to be Egyptian Culture predates Islam by about 3000 years. All The Best Egyptian cultural history may be thousands of years old but what Egypt, its law and culture is now is constructed in the main from the Sharia.
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 10, 2024 7:36:18 GMT
OMG, how wrong can one be? 95% of what is considered to be Egyptian Culture predates Islam by about 3000 years. All The Best Egyptian cultural history may be thousands of years old but what Egypt, its law and culture is now is constructed in the main from the Sharia. Agreed. Egypt has been Islamic since it was invaded by Muslims in the 7th century. 90+% are Muslims and the rest are subjegated and have to obey Islamic laws and Muslim cultural norms. Anything that was there prior is ancient history and has little or no cultural significance other than a few crumbling artefacts. The more modern Egypt that older people saw was influenced by the British of old, who encouraged a more modern outlook on society. When the British of old declined the Wahhabi types returned it to darker times.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2024 9:14:41 GMT
In a properly functioning society, there is respect of other people and property and religious beliefs, without any need for protection of specific groups. However, when that respect breaks down we must have a level of policing which can protect everyone, without fear or favour.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 10, 2024 10:32:55 GMT
The CoE has received many hundreds of times that over the centuries. I'd argue that no religious organisation at all should be in receipt of public money. Religion is a Personal Choice not a matter of State; and certainly not a matter that should be fund or subsidised by the general taxpayer. All The Best I couldn't agree more. The state needs to stay out of religion and religion needs to stay the hell out of politics. The church was very much in control in our town during its history. In a way the church still is in control around here. This is why we have such a low crime rate. According to the grapevine the police themselves have a strong association with the church. The further our country departs from the faith, the further it will head towards its own destruction. No one in authority nationally tells the truth these days. If they were Christian, they would do it automatically. How many billions do we lose each year by someone lying to someone else. If you become faithless, you start to imagine lying can be justified. Another thing you start to think is life is no longer sacred and you become OK with killing people, e.g. 80% of the country agreed to sanctions agaisnt Russia, but having agreed thus far, they went on to be OK about using their taxes to kill the Russians. Christians would never allow our taxes to be used to kill people. The people will now sacrifice the health of their elderly relatives struggling to heat their homes in order to kill them as well. You can't get one over on god, even if you think you can. Anyone who supports this is destined for hell. We all hold responsibility.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 13:50:45 GMT
I couldn't agree more. The state needs to stay out of religion and religion needs to stay the hell out of politics. The church was very much in control in our town during its history. In a way the church still is in control around here. This is why we have such a low crime rate. According to the grapevine the police themselves have a strong association with the church. The further our country departs from the faith, the further it will head towards its own destruction. No one in authority nationally tells the truth these days. If they were Christian, they would do it automatically. How many billions do we lose each year by someone lying to someone else. If you become faithless, you start to imagine lying can be justified. Another thing you start to think is life is no longer sacred and you become OK with killing people, e.g. 80% of the country agreed to sanctions agaisnt Russia, but having agreed thus far, they went on to be OK about using their taxes to kill the Russians. Christians would never allow our taxes to be used to kill people. The people will now sacrifice the health of their elderly relatives struggling to heat their homes in order to kill them as well. You can't get one over on god, even if you think you can. Anyone who supports this is destined for hell. We all hold responsibility. With respect, Baron, you're conflating religion with morality, overlooking the fact that morality can and does exist outside religion. You are also making sweeping assumptions about one religion. It is 100% false to assert that Christians would never allow taxes to be used to kill people. The Crusades were initiated by the church and supported by the church. How do you think they were funded? Crusade expeditions created huge demand for weapons, food and other supplies, levies for which contributed to the development of centralised financial administrations and the growth of papal and royal taxation. In fact, one of the outcomes of the crusades was the legacy of taxation.
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Post by thomas on Aug 10, 2024 13:59:12 GMT
Does that make any difference?🤔 Yes. This is the UK, the UK was built on Christianity whether we like it or not. I was just looking at the value the CofE received off government. I'm not religious and I think it's good news the CofE receives this. you seem to be conflating the church of England , and the United Kingdom multi national state. You do actually realise the Church of England isnt the church of the uk dont you? no church should receive money from government , and no Church of England bishops should sit in a legislature. Of course , it's one trait the United Kingdom shares with that pillar of democracy Iran.....having clerics in its legislature.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 15:07:39 GMT
Yes. This is the UK, the UK was built on Christianity whether we like it or not. I was just looking at the value the CofE received off government. I'm not religious and I think it's good news the CofE receives this. you seem to be conflating the church of England , and the United Kingdom multi national state. You do actually realise the Church of England isnt the church of the uk dont you? no church should receive money from government , and no Church of England bishops should sit in a legislature. Of course , it's one trait the United Kingdom shares with that pillar of democracy Iran.....having clerics in its legislature. A little different, in England the Bishops sit as part of the legislature, in Iran they oversee it as they do in Pakistan in a different way as well to ensure compliance to the Sharia for any laws.
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Post by thomas on Aug 10, 2024 15:16:15 GMT
you seem to be conflating the church of England , and the United Kingdom multi national state. You do actually realise the Church of England isnt the church of the uk dont you? no church should receive money from government , and no Church of England bishops should sit in a legislature. Of course , it's one trait the United Kingdom shares with that pillar of democracy Iran.....having clerics in its legislature. A little different, in England the Bishops sit as part of the legislature, in Iran they oversee it as they do in Pakistan in a different way as well to ensure compliance to the Sharia for any laws. not hugely different. No so called civilised 21 st century society should have clerics in a legislature for any reason in my opinion.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 10, 2024 15:30:24 GMT
A little different, in England the Bishops sit as part of the legislature, in Iran they oversee it as they do in Pakistan in a different way as well to ensure compliance to the Sharia for any laws. not hugely different. No so called civilised 21 st century society should have clerics in a legislature for any reason in my opinion. I do not disagree but they have been trying to reform the Lords effectively for over 60 years and counting, even Powell and Foot combined forces to defeat Wilson's bill. The eternal problem is it is not democratic it is unelected, it is seats for the old boys but the problem for everyone is that in general terms it works. Finding an alternative that will work as well not filled with sycophants and acolytes has been considered and often rejected.
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 16:26:08 GMT
A little different, in England the Bishops sit as part of the legislature, in Iran they oversee it as they do in Pakistan in a different way as well to ensure compliance to the Sharia for any laws. not hugely different. No so called civilised 21 st century society should have clerics in a legislature for any reason in my opinion. I agree 100%. Just look at how the religious rightwing justices on the Supreme Court are dismantling the reproductive healthcare rights that American women had for fifty years. They're trying to turn America into Gilead.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 10, 2024 16:36:45 GMT
not hugely different. No so called civilised 21 st century society should have clerics in a legislature for any reason in my opinion. I agree 100%. Just look at how the religious rightwing justices on the Supreme Court are dismantling the reproductive healthcare rights that American women had for fifty years. They're trying to turn America into Gilead. Should people of faith not be represented in the democratic system?
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Post by Ripley on Aug 10, 2024 16:59:13 GMT
I agree 100%. Just look at how the religious rightwing justices on the Supreme Court are dismantling the reproductive healthcare rights that American women had for fifty years. They're trying to turn America into Gilead. Should people of faith not be represented in the democratic system? All should be represented regardless of faith or lack of faith. Politicians should not be influenced by religion when determining public policy.
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