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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 17:29:51 GMT
Are you sure that you have read the Bible ? I can’t see any reference to God saying it’s ok to shag pre pubescent children . Numbers 31:18 Deuteronomy: 20:14 So God has given "the little ones" for his servants to "take unto themselves" There we have it, a god that condones child abuse. Exodus 21:7-10 Exodus condones selling daughters into slavery, and it would be naive in the extreme to think that did not include sexual slavery. But, its all OK because it sets the scene for the "nice Jesus"? What a load of bollocks, the OT is inhumane, immoral and abhorrent - it needs expunging. Especially if any attempt is going to made to suggest the Bible is a foundation of societal morality (I know you have not suggested that). All The Best Instead of just posting the verses and applying your opinion on what they mean . Provide some proof that they mean one should shag the pre pubescent children . So far , you’ve failed miserably. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 17:32:16 GMT
Numbers 31:18 Deuteronomy: 20:14 So God has given "the little ones" for his servants to "take unto themselves" There we have it, a god that condones child abuse. Exodus 21:7-10 Exodus condones selling daughters into slavery, and it would be naive in the extreme to think that did not include sexual slavery. But, its all OK because it sets the scene for the "nice Jesus"? What a load of bollocks, the OT is inhumane, immoral and abhorrent - it needs expunging. Especially if any attempt is going to made to suggest the Bible is a foundation of societal morality (I know you have not suggested that). All The Best Instead of just posting the verses and applying your opinion on what they mean . Provide some proof that they mean one should shag the pre pubescent children . So far , you’ve failed miserably. Given the words are there in black and white, surely those defending them should prove they don't. Afterall, I am not the one condoning kiddie-fiddling; I am condemning it. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 17:35:37 GMT
Instead of just posting the verses and applying your opinion on what they mean . Provide some proof that they mean one should shag the pre pubescent children . So far , you’ve failed miserably. Given the words are there in black and white, surely those defending them should prove they don't. Afterall, I am not the one condoning kiddie-fiddling; I am condemning it. All The Best It doesn’t say that you should have sex with pre pubescent children , do it must mean that you should have sex with pre pubescent children ? Really. It doesn’t say that you should eat them either , obviously means the Bible promotes cannibalism . ffs… |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 18:07:31 GMT
Given the words are there in black and white, surely those defending them should prove they don't. Afterall, I am not the one condoning kiddie-fiddling; I am condemning it. All The Best It doesn’t say that you should have sex with pre pubescent children , do it must mean that you should have sex with pre pubescent children ? Really. It doesn’t say that you should eat them either , obviously means the Bible promotes cannibalism . ffs… Do you want to re-write that in actual English. Then I'll respond. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 18:14:27 GMT
It doesn’t say that you should have sex with pre pubescent children , do it must mean that you should have sex with pre pubescent children ? Really. It doesn’t say that you should eat them either , obviously means the Bible promotes cannibalism . ffs… Do you want to re-write that in actual English. Then I'll respond. All The Best I’ll make it simple and in steps, just for you . Step one . Nowhere does it say that you should have sex with prepubescent children . Have a little think and come back. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 19:40:10 GMT
Do you want to re-write that in actual English. Then I'll respond. All The Best I’ll make it simple and in steps, just for you . Step one . Nowhere does it say that you should have sex with prepubescent children . Have a little think and come back. So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so? You sure you want go down that path? The Bible is NOT a Prescriptive Document - it does not tell us everything we should do. There are hundreds of actions carried put every day by millions of people that are not specifically ordered in the bible. There's no passage I can find that says we should wipe our arses after having a shit. There's no passage I can find that says we should brush our teeth. However, the Bible IS a Prohibitive Document - that is it prohibits that behaviour which it deems to be wrong. There are 10 Commandments for EXACTLY that purpose. For example: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Bible's morality, therefore, demonstrably disapproves of "other gods" more than it disapproves of "sexually abusing children". Heck, it even goes so far as to say "Thou shalt not covet." - don't be jealous of other peoples' possessions. But still no mention of prohibiting sex with children. Leviticus 11:9 and Deuteronomy 14:9 prohibit the eating of shellfish. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of clothes that combine wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 also prohibits the sowing of a field with more than one crop. So many prohibitions to do with various aspects of every day life. But not one single prohibition against having sex with children. And numerous verses that can be seen to at least condone, or turn a blind-eye to it. Then we have potentially centuries of institutional child abuse both in the Catholic Church and Church of England; with the higher ups going out of their way to not only protect the perpetrators by hiding their crimes and moving them around numerous times to other diocese, and actively rewarding some of them (the £200,000 plus pay out in the link I provided above). Does any of this sound like an institution that is actively engaged with prohibiting child-abuse? No, it doesn't. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 19:47:27 GMT
I’ll make it simple and in steps, just for you . Step one . Nowhere does it say that you should have sex with prepubescent children . Have a little think and come back. So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so? You sure you want go down that path? The Bible is NOT a Prescriptive Document - it does not tell us everything we should do. There are hundreds of actions carried put every day by millions of people that are not specifically ordered in the bible. There's no passage I can find that says we should wipe our arses after having a shit. There's no passage I can find that says we should brush our teeth. However, the Bible IS a Prohibitive Document - that is it prohibits that behaviour which it deems to be wrong. There are 10 Commandments for EXACTLY that purpose. For example: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Bible's morality, therefore, demonstrably disapproves of "other gods" more than it disapproves of "sexually abusing children". Heck, it even goes so far as to say "Thou shalt not covet." - don't be jealous of other peoples' possessions. But still no mention of prohibiting sex with children. Leviticus 11:9 and Deuteronomy 14:9 prohibit the eating of shellfish. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of clothes that combine wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 also prohibits the sowing of a field with more than one crop. So many prohibitions to do with various aspects of every day life. But not one single prohibition against having sex with children. And numerous verses that can be seen to at least condone, or turn a blind-eye to it. Then we have potentially centuries of institutional child abuse both in the Catholic Church and Church of England; with the higher ups going out of their way to not only protect the perpetrators by hiding their crimes and moving them around numerous times to other diocese, and actively rewarding some of them (the £200,000 plus pay out in the link I provided above). Does any of this sound like an institution that is actively engaged with prohibiting child-abuse? No, it doesn't. All The Best Was that the chap who got the award because he had been investigated seven times by the police with no charges ever pressed. Is he innocent or guilty of child abuse. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 19:56:00 GMT
I’ll make it simple and in steps, just for you . Step one . Nowhere does it say that you should have sex with prepubescent children . Have a little think and come back. So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so? You sure you want go down that path? The Bible is NOT a Prescriptive Document - it does not tell us everything we should do. There are hundreds of actions carried put every day by millions of people that are not specifically ordered in the bible. There's no passage I can find that says we should wipe our arses after having a shit. There's no passage I can find that says we should brush our teeth. However, the Bible IS a Prohibitive Document - that is it prohibits that behaviour which it deems to be wrong. There are 10 Commandments for EXACTLY that purpose. For example: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Bible's morality, therefore, demonstrably disapproves of "other gods" more than it disapproves of "sexually abusing children". Heck, it even goes so far as to say "Thou shalt not covet." - don't be jealous of other peoples' possessions. But still no mention of prohibiting sex with children. Leviticus 11:9 and Deuteronomy 14:9 prohibit the eating of shellfish. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of clothes that combine wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 also prohibits the sowing of a field with more than one crop. So many prohibitions to do with various aspects of every day life. But not one single prohibition against having sex with children. And numerous verses that can be seen to at least condone, or turn a blind-eye to it. Then we have potentially centuries of institutional child abuse both in the Catholic Church and Church of England; with the higher ups going out of their way to not only protect the perpetrators by hiding their crimes and moving them around numerous times to other diocese, and actively rewarding some of them (the £200,000 plus pay out in the link I provided above). Does any of this sound like an institution that is actively engaged with prohibiting child-abuse? No, it doesn't. All The Best The path I want to go down is the FACT that none of the biblical extracts that you posted says that adults should have sex with pre pubescent children . You made it up and now you are obfuscating by moving on to other Biblical instructions. You conveniently moved the post to addressing my post that you couldn’t grasp YOU “ So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so?“ The Bible does not explicitly state ( in your Biblical extracts ) that you shouldn’t eat the children either . Does that mean the Bible supports cannibalism ? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:08:53 GMT
So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so? You sure you want go down that path? The Bible is NOT a Prescriptive Document - it does not tell us everything we should do. There are hundreds of actions carried put every day by millions of people that are not specifically ordered in the bible. There's no passage I can find that says we should wipe our arses after having a shit. There's no passage I can find that says we should brush our teeth. However, the Bible IS a Prohibitive Document - that is it prohibits that behaviour which it deems to be wrong. There are 10 Commandments for EXACTLY that purpose. For example: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Bible's morality, therefore, demonstrably disapproves of "other gods" more than it disapproves of "sexually abusing children". Heck, it even goes so far as to say "Thou shalt not covet." - don't be jealous of other peoples' possessions. But still no mention of prohibiting sex with children. Leviticus 11:9 and Deuteronomy 14:9 prohibit the eating of shellfish. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of clothes that combine wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 also prohibits the sowing of a field with more than one crop. So many prohibitions to do with various aspects of every day life. But not one single prohibition against having sex with children. And numerous verses that can be seen to at least condone, or turn a blind-eye to it. Then we have potentially centuries of institutional child abuse both in the Catholic Church and Church of England; with the higher ups going out of their way to not only protect the perpetrators by hiding their crimes and moving them around numerous times to other diocese, and actively rewarding some of them (the £200,000 plus pay out in the link I provided above). Does any of this sound like an institution that is actively engaged with prohibiting child-abuse? No, it doesn't. All The Best The path I want to go down is the FACT that none of the biblical extracts that you posted says that adults should have sex with pre pubescent children . And as demonstrated the Bible is NOT a Prescriptive document; its purpose was never to tell us everything we should do. It is a Prohibitive document, it goes out of its way to tell us many, many everyday things we should not do. And nowhere does it say it is wrong to have sex with children. It says we can't east shellfish, we can't mix fibres in our clothing, we can't plant mixed crops, we can't be jealous, we can't have other gods, we can't kill or steal, we can't have "graven images". It prohibits all of this and more. But it never once prohibits sex with children. Surely any reasonable moral code, any moral code worth following, would hold having sex with children as way more egregious a crime than any of those above. Furthermore, agents of the church, a church allegedly presided over by a god who sees all, knows all, and who is perfectly good have not only engaged in sex with children, but protected and rewarded those who do. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:09:53 GMT
So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so? You sure you want go down that path? The Bible is NOT a Prescriptive Document - it does not tell us everything we should do. There are hundreds of actions carried put every day by millions of people that are not specifically ordered in the bible. There's no passage I can find that says we should wipe our arses after having a shit. There's no passage I can find that says we should brush our teeth. However, the Bible IS a Prohibitive Document - that is it prohibits that behaviour which it deems to be wrong. There are 10 Commandments for EXACTLY that purpose. For example: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." The Bible's morality, therefore, demonstrably disapproves of "other gods" more than it disapproves of "sexually abusing children". Heck, it even goes so far as to say "Thou shalt not covet." - don't be jealous of other peoples' possessions. But still no mention of prohibiting sex with children. Leviticus 11:9 and Deuteronomy 14:9 prohibit the eating of shellfish. Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 prohibit the wearing of clothes that combine wool and linen. Leviticus 19:19 also prohibits the sowing of a field with more than one crop. So many prohibitions to do with various aspects of every day life. But not one single prohibition against having sex with children. And numerous verses that can be seen to at least condone, or turn a blind-eye to it. Then we have potentially centuries of institutional child abuse both in the Catholic Church and Church of England; with the higher ups going out of their way to not only protect the perpetrators by hiding their crimes and moving them around numerous times to other diocese, and actively rewarding some of them (the £200,000 plus pay out in the link I provided above). Does any of this sound like an institution that is actively engaged with prohibiting child-abuse? No, it doesn't. All The Best The path I want to go down is the FACT that none of the biblical extracts that you posted says that adults should have sex with pre pubescent children . You made it up and now you are obfuscating by moving on to other Biblical instructions. You conveniently moved the post to addressing my post that you couldn’t grasp YOU “ So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so?“ The Bible does not explicitly state ( in your Biblical extracts ) that you shouldn’t eat the children either . Does that mean the Bible supports cannibalism ?The Blood Of Christ, The Body Of Christ. Fuck this is too easy. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 20:14:12 GMT
The path I want to go down is the FACT that none of the biblical extracts that you posted says that adults should have sex with pre pubescent children . And as demonstrated the Bible is NOT a Prescriptive document; its purpose was never to tell us everything we should do. It is a Prohibitive document, it goes out of its way to tell us many, many everyday things we should not do. And nowhere does it say it is wrong to have sex with children. It says we can't east shellfish, we can't mix fibres in our clothing, we can't plant mixed crops, we can't be jealous, we can't have other gods, we can't kill or steal, we can't have "graven images". It prohibits all of this and more. But it never once prohibits sex with children. Surely any reasonable moral code, any moral code worth following, would hold having sex with children as way more egregious a crime than any of those above. Furthermore, agents of the church, a church allegedly presided over by a god who sees all, knows all, and who is perfectly good have not only engaged in sex with children, but protected and rewarded those who do. All The Best PV None of your verbiage you posted supports your claim that Christianity supports paedophilia. You made it up . None of the biblical extracts supports it . I didn’t even need to point out that your extracts were pre Christian . Now be a good boy and admit you are wrong …because you are . |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 20:17:00 GMT
The path I want to go down is the FACT that none of the biblical extracts that you posted says that adults should have sex with pre pubescent children . You made it up and now you are obfuscating by moving on to other Biblical instructions. You conveniently moved the post to addressing my post that you couldn’t grasp YOU “ So because the Bible does not explicitly state we should have sex with children it actually means we should not do so?“ The Bible does not explicitly state ( in your Biblical extracts ) that you shouldn’t eat the children either . Does that mean the Bible supports cannibalism ?The Blood Of Christ, The Body Of Christ. Fuck this is too easy. All The Best Christ was/ is a diety . It’s magic 😁 Your Biblical extracts support eating pre pubescent children as much as they support shagging them . In other words they don’t . Yup, too easy for me. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:17:05 GMT
And as demonstrated the Bible is NOT a Prescriptive document; its purpose was never to tell us everything we should do. It is a Prohibitive document, it goes out of its way to tell us many, many everyday things we should not do. And nowhere does it say it is wrong to have sex with children. It says we can't east shellfish, we can't mix fibres in our clothing, we can't plant mixed crops, we can't be jealous, we can't have other gods, we can't kill or steal, we can't have "graven images". It prohibits all of this and more. But it never once prohibits sex with children. Surely any reasonable moral code, any moral code worth following, would hold having sex with children as way more egregious a crime than any of those above. Furthermore, agents of the church, a church allegedly presided over by a god who sees all, knows all, and who is perfectly good have not only engaged in sex with children, but protected and rewarded those who do. All The Best PV None of your verbiage you posted supports your claim that Christianity supports paedophilia. You made it up . None of the biblical extracts supports it . I didn’t even need to point out that your extracts were pre Christian . Now be a good boy and admit you are wrong …because you are . I am saying Christianity DOES NOT condemn paedophilia. That is demonstrably true. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 20:23:21 GMT
PV None of your verbiage you posted supports your claim that Christianity supports paedophilia. You made it up . None of the biblical extracts supports it . I didn’t even need to point out that your extracts were pre Christian . Now be a good boy and admit you are wrong …because you are . I am saying Christianity DOES NOT condemn paedophilia. That is demonstrably true. All The Best Nope. What you are saying is that you can’t support your claim that “All are at least very suggestive that Christian theology condones, or at least turns a blind-eye to, paedophilia.” But will not admit it . None of your extracts supports sex with pre pubescent children just as none of your extracts supports eating pre pubescent children but according to you because it doesn’t specifically condemn it then it supports it. Fuck this is so easy for me. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 13, 2024 20:25:42 GMT
I am saying Christianity DOES NOT condemn paedophilia. That is demonstrably true. All The Best Nope. What you are saying is that you can’t support your claim that “All are at least very suggestive that Christian theology condones, or at least turns a blind-eye to, paedophilia.” But will not admit it . None of your extracts supports sex with pre pubescent children just as none of your extracts supports eating pre pubescent children but according to you because it doesn’t specifically condemn it then it supports it. Fuck this is so easy for me. The extracts I quoted could all easily and reasonably be read to indicate that the Bible condones paedophilia. That you can't see that is, I suggest, because of your blind faith, if not in the church itself, but in the position of the church in our society. All The Best |
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