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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Aug 7, 2024 8:12:00 GMT
You mean this woman:
Spot the similarity
I think the6y got them from the same kennels. Check the dog collar.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 8:15:27 GMT
Right and do the police record and release the social class of people arrested? eh? in the op , you posted Anderson said something about working class lads throwing stones not being far right , and then you said as you define yourself as a working class lad yourself , you take offence . can you prove these people aren't working class lads as Anderson hints , and can you prove the majority of these people arrested are far right? Who apart from yourself defines you legally as working class? seems to me you are trying to twist things around after others have scratched the surface of your op and subsequent posts . I'm not offended. I'm just trying to clarify where Pacifico got this from: "Over 90% of those charged are working class - that is simply a fact" |
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Post by Tinculin on Aug 7, 2024 8:15:30 GMT
It’s unlikely those throwing stones at police and looting a bottle of wine are middle or upper class, because these people have too much to lose for something so dumb.
Whether those rioting were unemployed or working class, I’ve no idea, but in either case, a relatively small number of people rioting is not representative of the tens of millions of working class.
It maybe, that the rioters were mostly working class, but at the same time, the working class was in no way mostly represented by thousands of rioters.
I’d probably suggest those rioting are more a part of yob culture than representing any particular class.
And yes, those rioting (not peacefully protesting), should be punished, because I have no fucking idea whatsoever how stealing a pie from Greggs, or a bottle of wine or trainers has to do with the murder of girls in Southport - it’s an absolute bullshit disgrace.
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2024 8:30:49 GMT
eh? in the op , you posted Anderson said something about working class lads throwing stones not being far right , and then you said as you define yourself as a working class lad yourself , you take offence . can you prove these people aren't working class lads as Anderson hints , and can you prove the majority of these people arrested are far right? Who apart from yourself defines you legally as working class? seems to me you are trying to twist things around after others have scratched the surface of your op and subsequent posts . I'm not offended. I'm just trying to clarify where Pacifico got this from: "Over 90% of those charged are working class - that is simply a fact" you appeared offended in the op that Anderson had tried to imply these guys were ordinary working class people , which of course is contrary to the narrative liberal centrist want to put out that these folk are all "far right violent criminals " something ive already in part picked you up over elsewhere. hence why you talked about him trying to downplay their actions. Pacificos comments are a side issue , and im sure he will in due course respond. |
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Post by see2 on Aug 7, 2024 9:34:37 GMT
You mean this woman:
Spot the similarity
I think the6y got them from the same kennels. Check the dog collar.
"But James Cleverly, the shadow home secretary, said: “Home Office ministers should not be making excuses for masked men shouting, abusing and intimidating members of the media." Pointing out relevant information is not making excuses. If Muslims expected extremists to attempt to destroy their Mosque (down to social media) then no one should be surprised when they showed up in force to defend their Mosque. Reading comments on this situation I was under the impression that there were Muslim riots taking place. Unfortunately, ever since the Ottoman Muslims in 1858 removed the shackles of the Dhimmi from the Jews, making the Jews equal under the law to Muslims, Muslims have been playing the victim 'poor me' card to the extent that many of them actually believe they have been hard done by, while at the same time ignoring the number of invasions of Israel that went on and off for 20 years with attacks and terrorism continuing to this day. Until that reality is accepted by Muslims they will continue to dishonestly or mistakenly lay claim to the whole of Palestine. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 7, 2024 10:23:55 GMT
No, because I see absolotely no problems or issues with Multiculturalism The far right are only a proportion of the thugs who are out to destroy our towns and citys, though the far right including such scumbags as Tommy Robinson and many other with similar opinions are encouraging the rioting with lies, untruths and missinformation. If people are opposed to something, then why not simply protest or march, why do they have to burn, loot, attack innocent people and attack the police. It’s not about your problems or issues . You claim that the ‘ pro Palestinians ‘ thugs were ok because they were genuine in their concern . Therefore the anti multiculturalism/ immigration protesters are ok if they are genuine in their concerns . You cant have it both ways . Clearly you do not read my posts - I did not ever state that "pro palestinian protests were ok because their concerns were genuine" - I pointed out that the Palestinian protests / marches did not involve riot, attempted murder, arson, looting and destruction and vandalising of property. I suggest you stop trying to make things up or twisting things |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2024 10:41:45 GMT
Commonly known as: the social group consisting primarily of people who are employed in unskilled or semi-skilled manual or industrial work.Right and do the police record and release the social class of people arrested? No - they record their home address - and we know what is the social make up of each area. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 10:52:51 GMT
Right and do the police record and release the social class of people arrested? No - they record their home address - and we know what is the social make up of each area. And do they make that information public? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2024 15:13:37 GMT
No - they record their home address - and we know what is the social make up of each area. And do they make that information public? Yes - that is how we know where those convicted during the recent riots come from. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 15:52:28 GMT
And do they make that information public? Yes - that is how we know where those convicted during the recent riots come from. Ok thanks. I still don't think it excuses violent criminal behavior however. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2024 16:50:38 GMT
Yes - that is how we know where those convicted during the recent riots come from. Ok thanks. I still don't think it excuses violent criminal behavior however. It doesn't - violent behaviour is unacceptable whoever carries it out. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 19:04:31 GMT
Ok thanks. I still don't think it excuses violent criminal behavior however. It doesn't - violent behaviour is unacceptable whoever carries it out. I see the support Palestinian mob partially destroyed a factory this morning and managed to injure a couple of police officers and intimidate staff. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 19:32:54 GMT
It doesn't - violent behaviour is unacceptable whoever carries it out. I see the support Palestinian mob partially destroyed a factory this morning and managed to injure a couple of police officers and intimidate staff. Would you recommend sitting down with them and having a chat about their feelings? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 7, 2024 19:33:59 GMT
It was easy to spot the difference working and middle class 50 years ago . Working class were paid hourly and middle class were paid a yearly salary.
A bloke in a suit who worked in shipping or finance wouldn’t be seen as working class. They would be seen as a ponce .
Strange thing is that in those days the working class voted Labour and nowadays the ‘ ponces’do .
Ken Clark said” There’s this kind of underclass , a group of dissatisfied ,angry , anti establishment people who feel they ..they don’t belong to anybody or anything “ about the protesters.
I agree . They have been told that they are privileged, their past is one of racism, oppression and worse , they should come second to migrants and other ethnic groups . “Shut up cos if you don’t you’re a racist.”
And now they are kicking back .
Lefties don’t have the answer but they may be forced into a compromise.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 19:40:24 GMT
I see the support Palestinian mob partially destroyed a factory this morning and managed to injure a couple of police officers and intimidate staff. Would you recommend sitting down with them and having a chat about their feelings? No but then that was never my recommendation. Getting to root causes is important but destruction we all agree is not the way to go is it? |
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