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Post by Bentley on Aug 6, 2024 20:54:08 GMT
As far as fiddles is concerned a "Genuine" protest is any that he agrees with. As far as I am concerned, any protest which vandalises graveyards because they contain dead Muslims, or which sets fire to Mosques, or attacks innocent people is not a genuine protest. I realise of course that you and other posters on here seem to see no wrong in what these people are doing, but decent people dont agree with you. That would mean you believe that the fight against apartheid in South Africa wasn't genuine because black people were set alight and property was vandalised. Interesting. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 6, 2024 21:18:47 GMT
As far as fiddles is concerned a "Genuine" protest is any that he agrees with. As far as I am concerned, any protest which vandalises graveyards because they contain dead Muslims, or which sets fire to Mosques, or attacks innocent people is not a genuine protest. I realise of course that you and other posters on here seem to see no wrong in what these people are doing, but decent people dont agree with you. Bollocks, fiddles. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 6:20:30 GMT
Getting back on topic, as a working class bloke I find Anderson attempting to excuse violent criminals by describing them as working class lads rather patronising.
Working class isn't another term for criminal.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2024 6:43:36 GMT
Getting back on topic, as a working class bloke I find Anderson attempting to excuse violent criminals by describing them as working class lads rather patronising. Working class isn't another term for criminal. Over 90% of those charged are working class - that is simply a fact. That you may commit a crime does not mean that you cease to be part of the class you were born into. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2024 6:58:30 GMT
Getting back on topic, as a working class bloke I find Anderson attempting to excuse violent criminals by describing them as working class lads rather patronising. Working class isn't another term for criminal. you aren't working class from my observation. You come across as a middle class liberal centrist who wouldn't know a working class guy if he jumped up and bit you. Anderson seems far more in tune with the working class than the labour leadership. why though are you calling these people who took part in these riots and disorder "violent criminals" ? you posted elsewhere about that wee guy from Bolton who took part in the disorder , nelson I think his name was , who got two months for criminal damage. Thats not the definition of a violent criminal. thats what we call in Glasgow someone doing a petty crime and going in for a "shite and a shave" . Do you still not see how all these over the top terms are damaging middle class liberals credibility , of whats left of it ? violent racist far right criminals. Please give it a fucking rest. www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9900dmxzd8o |
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2024 7:02:20 GMT
Getting back on topic, as a working class bloke I find Anderson attempting to excuse violent criminals by describing them as working class lads rather patronising. Working class isn't another term for criminal. That you may commit a crime does not mean that you cease to be part of the class you were born into. I never knew I was middle class till I first visited bolton. joking aside ,class is something new labour and their supporters dredge up out the history books when it suits , and discards when it doesn't. I bet there isnt barely a working class person left in labour. the party of the southern English trendy liberal elite in the leafy suburbs . Nearly half the uk consider themselves working class , rightly or wrongly , yet labour only managed to get twenty per cent of the electorate to vote for them speaks volumes. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 7:12:12 GMT
I did not actually say that what I did say is talking to offenders is a common technique and finding out why is touted as good practice by many in the criminal justice sphere. Are you saying it is not good practice to understand criminal behaviour? I'm all for rehabilitation, I've personally known people who have successfully come out the other side and are now making a positive contribution to society. But only after they've done their time. Are you saying it's not good practice to lock up violent criminals? Currently the evidence is that we rarely do. |
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 7, 2024 7:30:59 GMT
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2024 7:33:53 GMT
cant you speak for yourself or at least highlight the bit you want to convey using words? I find rarely do folk sit and watch YouTube videos on political forums. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 7:41:50 GMT
Getting back on topic, as a working class bloke I find Anderson attempting to excuse violent criminals by describing them as working class lads rather patronising. Working class isn't another term for criminal. Over 90% of those charged are working class - that is simply a fact. That you may commit a crime does not mean that you cease to be part of the class you were born into. Is there a legal definition of working class? Do the police record that kind of information? Not being confrontational just genuinely curious, I had no idea. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 7:43:18 GMT
I'm all for rehabilitation, I've personally known people who have successfully come out the other side and are now making a positive contribution to society. But only after they've done their time. Are you saying it's not good practice to lock up violent criminals? Currently the evidence is that we rarely do. What evidence is that? And isn't that all the more reason to start locking them up now? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 7, 2024 7:43:39 GMT
Over 90% of those charged are working class - that is simply a fact. That you may commit a crime does not mean that you cease to be part of the class you were born into. Is there a legal definition of working class? Do the police record that kind of information? Not being confrontational just genuinely curious, I had no idea. Commonly known as: the social group consisting primarily of people who are employed in unskilled or semi-skilled manual or industrial work.
In the ONS criteria is it the C2, D and E cohorts |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 7, 2024 7:46:43 GMT
Is there a legal definition of working class? Do the police record that kind of information? Not being confrontational just genuinely curious, I had no idea. Commonly known as: the social group consisting primarily of people who are employed in unskilled or semi-skilled manual or industrial work.Right and do the police record and release the social class of people arrested? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 7, 2024 7:51:50 GMT
Currently the evidence is that we rarely do. What evidence is that? And isn't that all the more reason to start locking them up now? You just need to read court reports, thug spared jail because (insert any stupid reason you please in here). Remember the violent thug who was spared jail by Cherie Blair because he was obviously devout in his religion. He had broken another man's jaw. It has been going on for years and only those with eyes wide shut would have missed it. Start locking them up now only reinforces the perception that two tier policing is in operation as now it is whitey that is the problem. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 7, 2024 7:53:45 GMT
Commonly known as: the social group consisting primarily of people who are employed in unskilled or semi-skilled manual or industrial work.Right and do the police record and release the social class of people arrested? eh? in the op , you posted Anderson said something about working class lads throwing stones not being far right , and then you said as you define yourself as a working class lad yourself , you take offence . can you prove these people aren't working class lads as Anderson hints , and can you prove the majority of these people arrested are far right? Who apart from yourself defines you legally as working class? seems to me you are trying to twist things around after others have scratched the surface of your op and subsequent posts . |
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