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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 9:54:59 GMT
I haven't told any lies and I don't care about your rabid islamofascist nationalism. I just pointed out that the Left on here are sympathetic toward actual terrorism that took innocent lives as it happens, whilst they also try and smear the British people over a minor riot. Nobody on the left gave a fuck when Romanians were rioting and the police did nothing. Also, claiming that Israelis are terrorists is just typical Hamas bullshit. Your post is a lot like somebody supporting everything Putin has done whilst also trying to distance themselves from him. Only a total retard would buy it.
The Labour party is 100% responsible for all rioting.
Sorry, but with opinions such as yours, and the assertion that the rioting over the past week is all the fault of The Labour Party, its not worth debating with you, because your just plain and simply nuts.  |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 9:57:02 GMT
The last post on page 13 of this thread you said: "what you cant do is label other people with a class or national identity without their consent." whats that to do with the discussion ? my position has been consistent in terms of national identity on this and any other thread. Where did I label a black British guy , knowing he saw himself as British as a Nigerian? Can you show me? if you cant , we can put it in the diversion bin , yet again as irrelevant tripe. You and your ilk on the other hand are labelling a black guy who stabbed wee lassies as "welsh".................. I didn't say you did label anyone I asked a question, would you like me to repeat it? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 8, 2024 9:58:41 GMT
Seems that the police book ''style of policing '' wanted by protesters' community leaders in advance of protests Sky News covered a counter-protest in Birmingham by masked men who had initially gathered outside a mosque and local Islamic Centre in the Bordesley Green area. Their reporter asked the officer why there had been such a “low-key police presence” when “an awful lot of people [were] armed with various weapons” (including a man wearing a balaclava and clutching a knife, who followed the Sky News crew after they’d finished broadcasting).
The officer’s reply? Apparently, the police had had “conversations” beforehand with “community leaders” in order to “understand the style of policing we needed to deliver”, and “our policing response” had been “commensurate” with that. The officer added that the “communities” were “trying to make sure that [the counter-protest] was policed within themselves as well”.
www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/08/08/keir-starmer-elon-musk-two-tier-far-right-riots/
Two tier policing in action . It is as plain as the nose on our face. A white British guy punches a policeman in the face, off to jail for three years tout de suite. Two Muslim men attack British airport police trying to make an arrest throwing numerous punches and breaking a nose and the police are still investigating. The minute a police officer says you are under arrest that is it and any other interference is not only the crime of assaulting an officer but interfering with the police in the course of their duty. If they do not sort this out in any meaningful way and sling the guys in prison as they have done for others then they will have given the evidence of two tier policing to all watching. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 8, 2024 10:09:53 GMT
I haven't told any lies and I don't care about your rabid islamofascist nationalism. I just pointed out that the Left on here are sympathetic toward actual terrorism that took innocent lives as it happens, whilst they also try and smear the British people over a minor riot. Nobody on the left gave a fuck when Romanians were rioting and the police did nothing. Also, claiming that Israelis are terrorists is just typical Hamas bullshit. Your post is a lot like somebody supporting everything Putin has done whilst also trying to distance themselves from him. Only a total retard would buy it.
The Labour party is 100% responsible for all rioting.
Sorry, but with opinions such as yours, and the assertion that the rioting over the past week is all the fault of The Labour Party, its not worth debating with you, because your just plain and simply nuts. Which basically come down to you demonstrating that you're incapable or unwilling to actually address the problems. It's a fact that the Labour Party is the direct cause of this effect. That's inescapable. This is why you're all about deflections and hypocrisy. Also, the only nutters are those who embrace actual terrorism that costs lives as part of a political pursuit. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 10:11:58 GMT
whats that to do with the discussion ? my position has been consistent in terms of national identity on this and any other thread. Where did I label a black British guy , knowing he saw himself as British as a Nigerian? Can you show me? if you cant , we can put it in the diversion bin , yet again as irrelevant tripe. You and your ilk on the other hand are labelling a black guy who stabbed wee lassies as "welsh".................. I didn't say you did label anyone I asked a question, would you like me to repeat it? the answer to your question is aye , quite obviously it would be wrong. Why do you feel the need to repeat back to me what I have been saying throughout this thread as though it's some new concept im unaware of.  Do you feel you are wrong therefore earlier labelling a guy as welsh without knowing how he views himself? |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 8, 2024 10:23:38 GMT
Sorry, but with opinions such as yours, and the assertion that the rioting over the past week is all the fault of The Labour Party, its not worth debating with you, because your just plain and simply nuts. Which basically come down to you demonstrating that you're incapable or unwilling to actually address the problems. It's a fact that the Labour Party is the direct cause of this effect. That's inescapable. This is why you're all about deflections and hypocrisy. Also, the only nutters are those who embrace actual terrorism that costs lives as part of a political pursuit. So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 8, 2024 10:33:53 GMT
Is it not the case that all these excusers for arson, attempted murder, looting, violence and attacks on our police are a little bit annoyed today. ?
Annoyed because the government, the Home Office, the CPS and our police forces have more or less defeated the thugs.
"The People" have also defeated the thugs, meaning the people who represent the true values of Britain, who turned out last night in much larger numbers than the Tommy Robinson brigade.
Are the excusers of this weeks violence and vandalism a bit miffed and peeved that their civil war has not happened, and is not going to happen.
The thugs are frightened now, they have seen on their stolen tellys what the courts are doing, no leniency, maximum sentences, police chiefs telling them "you will get a knock on your door" - "we are coming after you".
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Post by Vinny on Aug 8, 2024 10:36:01 GMT
Rioters should be locked up, peaceful protesters should not, unless they were obstructing roads.
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 10:40:51 GMT
Which basically come down to you demonstrating that you're incapable or unwilling to actually address the problems. It's a fact that the Labour Party is the direct cause of this effect. That's inescapable. This is why you're all about deflections and hypocrisy. Also, the only nutters are those who embrace actual terrorism that costs lives as part of a political pursuit. So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion hi sid. Not trying to trip you up , but can you prove the majority of riots organised in England were organised by the far right ? I keep hearing this bandied about with little to no evidence. you dont like it when folk accuse you of being far left , but find it convenient to label others as far right without knowing how they see themselves or wether or not they are politically active as far right. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 10:45:38 GMT
I didn't say you did label anyone I asked a question, would you like me to repeat it? the answer to your question is aye , quite obviously it would be wrong. Why do you feel the need to repeat back to me what I have been saying throughout this thread as though it's some new concept im unaware of. Do you feel you are wrong therefore earlier labelling a guy as welsh without knowing how he views himself? I agree it's wrong to unilaterally decide someone else's national identity for them. I would assume somebody born and raised in Wales was Welsh but if they told me otherwise I wouldn't try to force a Welsh identity on them. British nationality in the other hand is a legal fact. |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 8, 2024 10:47:49 GMT
Which basically come down to you demonstrating that you're incapable or unwilling to actually address the problems. It's a fact that the Labour Party is the direct cause of this effect. That's inescapable. This is why you're all about deflections and hypocrisy. Also, the only nutters are those who embrace actual terrorism that costs lives as part of a political pursuit. So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion No, I am saying EVERY riot is down to the Labour Party. FFS, the current Labour PM dropped to his knee in solidarity to BLM riots. This has all been building for decades and while some may predate it, at least as far back to when Tony Blair decided to impose mass-immigration and multiculturalism on a live culture without a mandate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2024 10:49:02 GMT
Is it not the case that all these excusers for arson, attempted murder, looting, violence and attacks on our police are a little bit annoyed today. ? Annoyed because the government, the Home Office, the CPS and our police forces have more or less defeated the thugs. "The People" have also defeated the thugs, meaning the people who represent the true values of Britain, who turned out last night in much larger numbers than the Tommy Robinson brigade.
I'm glad the violence ceased for a night but you should not get carried away. The idea that there were going to be 100 protests across the country last night was a hoax - even 'Hope not Hate' were forced to admit that. What happens at the weekend will determine if these protests have finally died down. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 8, 2024 10:51:14 GMT
So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion hi sid. Not trying to trip you up , but can you prove the majority of riots organised in England were organised by the far right ? I keep hearing this bandied about with little to no evidence. you dont like it when folk accuse you of being far left , but find it convenient to label others as far right without knowing how they see themselves or wether or not they are politically active as far right. Another one of your caustic and childish posts I am 100% in favour of a UK nuclear deterrent but I vote Labour I am a Monarchist I detest Stop The War movement I detest Momentum I love the speech which Neil Kinnock made attacking Militant I dont like Jeremy Corbyn, and tore up my membership card soon after he became leader I would go out and celebrate if someone put a bullet into Vladimir Putins head I oppose the nationalisation of industry, commerve and banks How "far left" do I seem to you ? Investigative journalists from ITN, Channel 4, SKY, BBC and many newspapers have proven on TV, radio and in the press that most of the riots were either organised or promoted by the far right. Police chiefs and senior police officers have stated as such, as have politicians from various political parties, as have commentators and experts interviewed by the MSM, and evidence on the ground from witnesses. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 10:52:47 GMT
the answer to your question is aye , quite obviously it would be wrong. Why do you feel the need to repeat back to me what I have been saying throughout this thread as though it's some new concept im unaware of. Do you feel you are wrong therefore earlier labelling a guy as welsh without knowing how he views himself? I agree it's wrong to unilaterally decide someone else's national identity for them. ok , so whats the debate regarding this attacker ? dont force a national identity on him then , and practice what you preach. why? why would you assume in light of what we have been discussing? Dont assume. it is. Just that it isnt restricted to someone born or bred in these islands . it's more like an international citizenship of a supra national entity. whats this to do with the discussion at hand though? Are you now reneging on this guy being welsh....in your opinion ....and retreating back to entitlement to a travel document of something entirely different ? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 8, 2024 10:52:54 GMT
So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion hi sid. Not trying to trip you up , but can you prove the majority of riots organised in England were organised by the far right ? I keep hearing this bandied about with little to no evidence. you dont like it when folk accuse you of being far left , but find it convenient to label others as far right without knowing how they see themselves or wether or not they are politically active as far right. Looking at what are self confessed areas of the far right it seems that they knew little about it and it took a form that is counter to how they would progress any organised opposition. Many people are calling them far right but the evidence that they are is pretty thin on the ground. |
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