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Post by Vinny on Aug 8, 2024 10:54:33 GMT
Then you are a centrist.
Labour / lefties are traditionally pro nationalisation.
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 10:55:33 GMT
hi sid. Not trying to trip you up , but can you prove the majority of riots organised in England were organised by the far right ? I keep hearing this bandied about with little to no evidence. you dont like it when folk accuse you of being far left , but find it convenient to label others as far right without knowing how they see themselves or wether or not they are politically active as far right. Another one of your caustic and childish posts I am 100% in favour of a UK nuclear deterrent but I vote Labour I am a Monarchist I detest Stop The War movement I detest Momentum I love the speech which Neil Kinnock made attacking Militant I dont like Jeremy Corbyn, and tore up my membership card soon after he became leader I would go out and celebrate if someone put a bullet into Vladimir Putins head I oppose the nationalisation of industry, commerve and banks How "far left" do I seem to you ? Investigative journalists from ITN, Channel 4, SKY, BBC and many newspapers have proven on TV, radio and in the press that most of the riots were either organised or promoted by the far right. Police chiefs and senior police officers have stated as such, as have politicians from various political parties, as have commentators and experts interviewed by the MSM, and evidence on the ground from witnesses. another example of someone not reading what has been written , and replying to something they think has been written. ignoring the personal attack , and nonsensical whine about what you believe in , ( I didnt call you far left sid ..) evidence please , once again sid , the majority of these riots were organised by the far right. Over to you. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 10:58:41 GMT
Then you are a centrist. Labour / lefties are traditionally pro nationalisation. sid doesn't know what he is , he merely parrots the party line at any given time , no matter how contradictory and how often it changes. like his dear leader ,starmer , an empty vessel devoid of morals and principles , but yet cant understand why his party is so despised it couldnt garner more than 20% of the electorate. I have more respect for traditional lefties like sb Steve , than the empty vessels in the labour party today. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 8, 2024 11:05:29 GMT
I agree it's wrong to unilaterally decide someone else's national identity for them. ok , so whats the debate regarding this attacker ? dont force a national identity on him then , and practice what you preach. why? why would you assume in light of what we have been discussing? Dont assume. it is. Just that it isnt restricted to someone born or bred in these islands . it's more like an international citizenship of a supra national entity. whats this to do with the discussion at hand though? Are you now reneging on this guy being welsh....in your opinion ....and retreating back to entitlement to a travel document of something entirely different ? From memory everyone I've met who was born and raised in Wales has identified as Welsh, that's why I would make the assumption. Presumably of you believe it is wrong to assume that the Southport attacker was Welsh, then would it not be equally wrong to assume or claim that he was Rwandan? Have you challenged posters who have done so? |
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Post by buccaneer on Aug 8, 2024 11:18:16 GMT
Which basically come down to you demonstrating that you're incapable or unwilling to actually address the problems. It's a fact that the Labour Party is the direct cause of this effect. That's inescapable. This is why you're all about deflections and hypocrisy. Also, the only nutters are those who embrace actual terrorism that costs lives as part of a political pursuit. So, what you are basically saying is that riots across England, organised mostly by the far right, and with large numbers of racists and people openly hostile to foreigners, immigrants and Muslims, is all the fault of the Labour Party. ? I reckon that we are owed an explanation as to how you arrive at such a conclusion People haven't heeded the warning about the baggage Labour brings to government with it, identity politics. And Starmer, has clearly demonstrated he doesn't share the identity politics of white folk, because that was NEVER a priority of theirs. I mean, look at how Jess Phillips has tried to downplay the pro-Hamas mob in Birmingham. This coming from a woman who in 2015 said the Cologne (Muslim inspired) sex attacks were like the harassment of women out on a typical Friday night in Brum. She certainly knows how to play to the demographic in her constituency with those disgusting comments, and there was certainly no chance of her calling out that mob in Bordesley Green with her slim majority. it was probably the same mob that went for her during a concerted Islamist intimidation campaign during the election. It's clear, under this Labour government the definition of thug is: a white person. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 11:24:53 GMT
ok , so whats the debate regarding this attacker ? dont force a national identity on him then , and practice what you preach. why? why would you assume in light of what we have been discussing? Dont assume. it is. Just that it isnt restricted to someone born or bred in these islands . it's more like an international citizenship of a supra national entity. whats this to do with the discussion at hand though? Are you now reneging on this guy being welsh....in your opinion ....and retreating back to entitlement to a travel document of something entirely different ? From memory everyone I've met who was born and raised in Wales has identified as Welsh, that's why I would make the assumption. Presumably of you believe it is wrong to assume that the Southport attacker was Welsh, then would it not be equally wrong to assume or claim that he was Rwandan? Have you challenged posters who have done so? I repeat again , there is a guy born and raised in Wales on this very forum who doesn't identify as welsh. Dont make assumptions . who has done so ? examples please? regarding British nationality that you earlier brought up , the very discussion on British nationality , itself a misnomer , shows why you shouldn't assume national identity. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 8, 2024 12:27:35 GMT
Yeah. The day labour throw Phillips out of the party for her statements regarding Moslem thugs, AND throw out every Councillor and stood and did fuck all while Asians raped under age girls in care, THEN I will criticise Anderson. Not before. Two wrongs make a right? Not at all. I believe you criticised Phillips. If you did I commend you for that. The problem is her party leader has not and that sends the wrong message. As with the BLM vandals who dunked Comston's statue in the dock, because the black and clearly anti white racist mayor of Bristol openly said he has no problem with that vandalism, the vandals were ACQUITTED when FINALLY brought to court When, and ONLY when black vandals, Moslem women "unaccustomed to drink" and other similar obvious miscarriages of true justice in favour of the black, the brown, the Marxist and every other such are reversed and tbe correct verdict and sentence applued, THEN I will criticise a white man for a similar act. Until then, fuck off |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 8, 2024 16:00:48 GMT
Another one of your caustic and childish posts I am 100% in favour of a UK nuclear deterrent but I vote Labour I am a Monarchist I detest Stop The War movement I detest Momentum I love the speech which Neil Kinnock made attacking Militant I dont like Jeremy Corbyn, and tore up my membership card soon after he became leader I would go out and celebrate if someone put a bullet into Vladimir Putins head I oppose the nationalisation of industry, commerve and banks How "far left" do I seem to you ? Investigative journalists from ITN, Channel 4, SKY, BBC and many newspapers have proven on TV, radio and in the press that most of the riots were either organised or promoted by the far right. Police chiefs and senior police officers have stated as such, as have politicians from various political parties, as have commentators and experts interviewed by the MSM, and evidence on the ground from witnesses. another example of someone not reading what has been written , and replying to something they think has been written. ignoring the personal attack , and nonsensical whine about what you believe in , ( I didnt call you far left sid ..) evidence please , once again sid , the majority of these riots were organised by the far right. Over to you. "Met Police Commissioner Mark Rowley has said fears of far-right violent disorder were "abated" yesterday evening after anti-racism protesters turned out across the country" (BBC) "Many reasons far-right largely stayed off the streets - including counter-protests" (SKY) news.sky.com/story/met-police-chief-says-fears-of-extreme-right-disorder-abated-after-last-nights-successful-policing-operation-13192996UK riots live: Police warn of another night of possible unrest as nearly 500 arrested over far-right disorder (The Independent) www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/riots-protests-uk-today-list-london-brighton-birmingham-liverpool-b2593045.htmlWho is behind the riots? Several high-profile characters known for their far-right views have provided vocal commentary on social media in recent days and have been condemned by the government for aggravating tensions via their posts. Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, who operates under the alias Tommy Robinson, has long been one of Britain’s most foremost far-right and anti-Muslim activists and founded the now-defunct English Defence League (EDL) in 2009. (Politico) www.politico.eu/article/uk-far-right-britain-lawyer-keir-starmer-violence-liverpool-muslims-cardiff/Far-right's rude awakening: Police dawn raid 'seriously violent' thugs from riots as Met chief hails 'show of unity from communities' (Daily Mail) www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13722269/Police-dawn-raids-far-right-thugs-riots.htmlFar-Right thugs plan 11 more UK riots in secret group so police don't 'catch on' (Daily Express) www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1933461/far-right-thugs-plan-11-more |
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Post by Rebirth on Aug 8, 2024 16:11:00 GMT
That isn't evidence, Hamas boy. That's state propaganda under a Islamist Soviet regime.
Protectionism isn't far-right. People who want to protect themselves from the child killers the Labour party encourage into this country is not far-right. It's perfectly natural to resist Starmer's evil.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 8, 2024 16:29:54 GMT
Interesting post on last nights timeline - seems the police got played
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Post by thomas on Aug 8, 2024 17:19:15 GMT
sigh. The first link to the sky news story isnt proof demonstrators are far right. It's a story about the fear of alleged far right demonstrations taking place , but they never happened in that particular area . your second link again contains no evidence of far right political activism. its a story in the independent again fears of far right violence , with a sub story about two people who were jailed for violent disorder. No mention of them being members of far right organisations. your third politico link talks of things hijacking a vigil , who once again are alleged to be linked to the EDL , but the article then qualifies they are a defunct organisation. likewise the mail link , and the express link , yet more innuendo and claims without any substantive proof . do you ever read beyond headlines sid? you are usually too busy frothing in self righteous outrage that you completely fail to grasp arguments , or show an interest of why these protests are happening. newspapers making claims isnt evidence of anything. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 8, 2024 18:14:00 GMT
Personally, i listen to what people say, like do Palestinians have legitimate grievances dead right they do, do these people rioting have legitimate grievances dead right they do. I just think rioting is a bad way of going about it. But I guess so many have just been unheard voices for so long they just don't care.
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 8, 2024 18:17:21 GMT
What about the guy with rhe Swaizstucker
Tattoo on his back?
Surrounded by hundreds of other taking no bit of notice.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 8, 2024 18:28:24 GMT
And how is "Far Right" defined? And, assuming that we have such a definition, where is the evidence that those thus accused are "Far Right"?
"The media says..." is not evidence.
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Post by Orac on Aug 8, 2024 18:35:44 GMT
What about the guy with rhe Swaizstucker Tattoo on his back? Surrounded by hundreds of other taking no bit of notice. There are so few actual Nazis, most people probably just assumed he was a 'fed' |
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