ginnyg2
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Post by ginnyg2 on Aug 14, 2024 10:06:51 GMT
Selected text from Mirror 17 Jun 2024 We need to be more welcoming, because if we don't they will go and produce economic benefits, and future taxpayers, somewhere else. And granny will be dependent upon Gen Zedders who want to make a meaningful social contribution via YouTube.
It is ironic that the people least inclined to want more immigration - the over-75s - have the greatest need of them. To not only fund their pensions, but to mow their lawns, empty their bins, and provide domiciliary care. Younger people are less likely to have a problem with immigration, but those who do are more likely to come from areas of high unemployment, and to believe it's the migrants taking all the jobs rather than, for example, the fact that Merthyr Tydfil had its hope hollowed out 40 years ago and no bugger has bothered to replace it.
But it is the grey vote which matters most at the ballot box, and it is they who are most likely make everyone worse off in the belief the only impact they'll feel is a whiter Britain. They associate the prosperity of their youth with the fact almost everyone they knew was young, and white. They have forgotten that their granny died at 60, not 80, there was no NHS, the state pension was a few breadcrumbs, and home ownership was something that only applied to dukes.
As the birth rate resets to something a little more sustainable, our politicians need to admit what they have so long avoided saying: that voters need to accept either more migrants, or significantly less of everything else.
No-one will, for at least the next Parliament. And Nigel certainly won't, even though he's got the oldest and most racist voters of them all - the truth would make him implode. If you really love Britain, and want to see it thrive, then the only way is mass immigration.
But they didn't put that on the bus, did they?
According to Government figures 438,000 ethnic minority people were unemployed (and therefore claiming benefits for themselves and their families) in 2020. Not exactly paying for our pensions are they? Or contributing anything to the economy. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2024 11:23:42 GMT
If UKIP was full of BNP sympathisers it wouldn't have disintegrated after the referendum. Quite clearly UKIP's reason for existing was to pressure the government into allowing that long overdue referendum... and I think it's worth pointing out that after 20 years and 12.7% of the vote UKIP succeeded in forcing that referendum, and it will not have gone unnoticed at both Labour and Tory HQ that after just three years Reform UK won 14% of the vote. This is not complicated, the biggest recruiting sergeant for Reform UK is continued mass/illegal immigration. Farage doesn't have to do anything, Reform UK's future lies in the hands of Starmer and whoever wins the Tory leadership race. Personally, I think Reform will go from strength to strength. Did I say "full"?
Although BNP never had that many paid-up supporters. Its rump was mainly shaven-headed football hooligans with a few middle class clerical types, who enjoyed dishing out beatings. But its views on race chimed with those of many Ukip supporters and elderly Conservatives, and some of their MPs.
Ukip disintegrated because it proved muddled and unelectable. Even its best known leader left.
Its successor, Reform — attracting Farage back into public view — drew on dissatisfied ultra-Right Conservative (and Ukip) supporters and managed to get five MPs.
Even the LibDems, with its clowning leader, managed 72...
You appear to be far more concerned about the BNP than I am, or was. UKIP is a very rare example of a political party that achieved it's aim. Had it not been for UKIP and Farage, the referendum would not have happened, which is why left wing remainiacs hate Farage so much. But UKIP is the past, what the political establishment have to contend with now is Reform UK, and I guarantee Reform will go from strength to strength because of one issue, immigration. If Labour and the Tories continue to ignore peoples concerns over immigration people will turn to Reform UK, and anyone who doesn't understand that is a bloody fool. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 14, 2024 11:34:39 GMT
It seems that the BNP and even UKIP are parties that people call racist etc yet cannot pinpoint how they are racist and how they are different to many other countries in the world. Once again it is only the predominantly white successful countries that have to have open doors to allow anyone that wants to come in to be welcomed and made part of the whole even though they may hate the whole and wish to destroy it. The process was a slow one during the latter part of the 20th century but this last couple of decades the haters have become emboldened and assisted by some for reasons best known to themselves.
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ginnyg2
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Post by ginnyg2 on Aug 14, 2024 11:43:41 GMT
It seems that the BNP and even UKIP are parties that people call racist etc yet cannot pinpoint how they are racist and how they are different to many other countries in the world. Once again it is only the predominantly white successful countries that have to have open doors to allow anyone that wants to come in to be welcomed and made part of the whole even though they may hate the whole and wish to destroy it. The process was a slow one during the latter part of the 20th century but this last couple of decades the haters have become emboldened and assisted by some for reasons best known to themselves. Spot on there buddy. black countries for Black People, brown countries for Brown people - White countries for everyone! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 14, 2024 11:55:59 GMT
It seems that the BNP and even UKIP are parties that people call racist etc yet cannot pinpoint how they are racist and how they are different to many other countries in the world. Once again it is only the predominantly white successful countries that have to have open doors to allow anyone that wants to come in to be welcomed and made part of the whole even though they may hate the whole and wish to destroy it. The process was a slow one during the latter part of the 20th century but this last couple of decades the haters have become emboldened and assisted by some for reasons best known to themselves. Spot on there buddy. black countries for Black People, brown countries for Brown people - White countries for everyone! Well yes, but there's a bit more to it than that. I mean, most "black/brown" countries are third world shit tips governed buy corrupt dictators. Off hand I cant think of one I'd want to visit let alone move to. And at this rate it wont be long before the UK is a third world shit tip. |
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 15, 2024 10:39:59 GMT
Selected text from Mirror 17 Jun 2024 We need to be more welcoming, because if we don't they will go and produce economic benefits, and future taxpayers, somewhere else. And granny will be dependent upon Gen Zedders who want to make a meaningful social contribution via YouTube.
It is ironic that the people least inclined to want more immigration - the over-75s - have the greatest need of them. To not only fund their pensions, but to mow their lawns, empty their bins, and provide domiciliary care. Younger people are less likely to have a problem with immigration, but those who do are more likely to come from areas of high unemployment, and to believe it's the migrants taking all the jobs rather than, for example, the fact that Merthyr Tydfil had its hope hollowed out 40 years ago and no bugger has bothered to replace it.
But it is the grey vote which matters most at the ballot box, and it is they who are most likely make everyone worse off in the belief the only impact they'll feel is a whiter Britain. They associate the prosperity of their youth with the fact almost everyone they knew was young, and white. They have forgotten that their granny died at 60, not 80, there was no NHS, the state pension was a few breadcrumbs, and home ownership was something that only applied to dukes.
As the birth rate resets to something a little more sustainable, our politicians need to admit what they have so long avoided saying: that voters need to accept either more migrants, or significantly less of everything else.
No-one will, for at least the next Parliament. And Nigel certainly won't, even though he's got the oldest and most racist voters of them all - the truth would make him implode. If you really love Britain, and want to see it thrive, then the only way is mass immigration.
But they didn't put that on the bus, did they?
According to Government figures 438,000 ethnic minority people were unemployed (and therefore claiming benefits for themselves and their families) in 2020. Not exactly paying for our pensions are they? Or contributing anything to the economy. Err... do you understand the difference between ethnic minority and immigrant? |
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Post by aristaeus on Aug 15, 2024 10:42:28 GMT
It seems that the BNP and even UKIP are parties that people call racist etc yet cannot pinpoint how they are racist and how they are different to many other countries in the world. Once again it is only the predominantly white successful countries that have to have open doors to allow anyone that wants to come in to be welcomed and made part of the whole even though they may hate the whole and wish to destroy it. The process was a slow one during the latter part of the 20th century but this last couple of decades the haters have become emboldened and assisted by some for reasons best known to themselves. Well the BNP was founded by a literal neo-Nazi, so there's a big clue there about whether the BNP is/was racist. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 15, 2024 13:13:46 GMT
It seems that the BNP and even UKIP are parties that people call racist etc yet cannot pinpoint how they are racist and how they are different to many other countries in the world. Once again it is only the predominantly white successful countries that have to have open doors to allow anyone that wants to come in to be welcomed and made part of the whole even though they may hate the whole and wish to destroy it. The process was a slow one during the latter part of the 20th century but this last couple of decades the haters have become emboldened and assisted by some for reasons best known to themselves. Well the BNP was founded by a literal neo-Nazi, so there's a big clue there about whether the BNP is/was racist. The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 15, 2024 13:39:02 GMT
Well the BNP was founded by a literal neo-Nazi, so there's a big clue there about whether the BNP is/was racist. The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking Or likewise, "Far Right".
I suspect that you won't get a coherent reply because, as previously discussed, at present these terms have no real meaning. They are simply perjoratives that the left fling at anyone that they disapprove of.
Ironic really considering that the current government, with its threats to shut down social media and imprison its critics, is the closest we've come to actual fascism in the UK for a century.
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Post by see2 on Aug 15, 2024 17:05:58 GMT
Well the BNP was founded by a literal neo-Nazi, so there's a big clue there about whether the BNP is/was racist. The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking I find it almost unbelievable that so many posters set out to defend the far Right. But then again there were Brits and French who were willing to fight alongside of the Nazis, so maybe not so surprising after all. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 15, 2024 17:35:54 GMT
The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking I find it almost unbelievable that so many posters set out to defend the far Right. But then again there were Brits and French who were willing to fight alongside of the Nazis, so maybe not so surprising after all. Whatever people are if they are legal, and many you call far right are indeed legal, then they have a right to air opinions. Inventing comparisons does not help the democratic process and once again what makes anyone we have discussed 'far right'? The BNP have many Leftish policies, the only policy that seems to create ire among the great and the good is the belief that Britain and Britons have a right to choose who resides with them. That belief is held by almost all other Nations in the world. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 15, 2024 17:43:21 GMT
The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking I find it almost unbelievable that so many posters set out to defend the far Right. But then again there were Brits and French who were willing to fight alongside of the Nazis, so maybe not so surprising after all. Those Brits would have been seen as far right , misogynistic, homophobic racists nowadays. What I find unbelievable is lefties moving the definition of ‘ far right ‘to ‘centre right ‘ and expecting others to accept it . |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 15, 2024 17:50:21 GMT
The Democratic party in the US was proslavery in the 1860s, do we consider that they are that now. Most parties in the UK were discussing Eugenics with serious intent before the war but we consider them free from all tarnishing with that movement. Why is it only the BNP that cannot be allowed to escape from their history. What you have to show is what did they propose in 2010 that was neo-Nazi, racist or fascist. I do keep asking I find it almost unbelievable that so many posters set out to defend the far Right. But then again there were Brits and French who were willing to fight alongside of the Nazis, so maybe not so surprising after all. Have you been able to come up with a definition of what (and who) is 'far right'? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 15, 2024 17:57:13 GMT
I find it almost unbelievable that so many posters set out to defend the far Right. But then again there were Brits and French who were willing to fight alongside of the Nazis, so maybe not so surprising after all. Have you been able to come up with a definition of what (and who) is 'far right'? Of course he hasn't. But there again his Fuhrer is, as yet, unable to even define what a woman is. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 15, 2024 18:21:52 GMT
The populists did, because we knew it would be purely by default with a small minority vote. Plus we know they will carry on regardless as always.
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