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Post by patman post on Aug 13, 2024 12:37:14 GMT
You mean that the Labour government would need more than 4weeks to make sense of the utter rubbish and total financial mess left after some 14 years of Tory maladministration. You should not be surprised after fools like yourself who probably voted for the 14 years of Tory garbage in the first place LOL Oh dear, oh very dear. I 'almost' feel guilty ridiculing you, but hey, I'll soldier on, lol. See2 my dear deluded lefty friend, the Tories were not in government for 14 years, jeez how many times. And I didn't vote Tory until 2017. Prior to that I voted UKIP for years, which obviously makes me far-right, right? Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 13, 2024 12:53:57 GMT
Blasphemers, heretics and apostates! If you’re not a far left woke leftie cult member, you are a far right racist . Why? Because they say so.
Amen.
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 13, 2024 13:17:54 GMT
Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? If UKIP was full of BNP sympathisers it wouldn't have disintegrated after the referendum. Quite clearly UKIP's reason for existing was to pressure the government into allowing that long overdue referendum... and I think it's worth pointing out that after 20 years and 12.7% of the vote UKIP succeeded in forcing that referendum, and it will not have gone unnoticed at both Labour and Tory HQ that after just three years Reform UK won 14% of the vote. This is not complicated, the biggest recruiting sergeant for Reform UK is continued mass/illegal immigration. Farage doesn't have to do anything, Reform UK's future lies in the hands of Starmer and whoever wins the Tory leadership race. Personally, I think Reform will go from strength to strength. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 13, 2024 13:24:20 GMT
Oh dear, oh very dear. I 'almost' feel guilty ridiculing you, but hey, I'll soldier on, lol. See2 my dear deluded lefty friend, the Tories were not in government for 14 years, jeez how many times. And I didn't vote Tory until 2017. Prior to that I voted UKIP for years, which obviously makes me far-right, right? Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? Face it, Labour provide a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harbour anti-Semitic sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think would be realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted common sense, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…?
See, I can do that too.  |
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Post by patman post on Aug 13, 2024 14:38:41 GMT
Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? If UKIP was full of BNP sympathisers it wouldn't have disintegrated after the referendum. Quite clearly UKIP's reason for existing was to pressure the government into allowing that long overdue referendum... and I think it's worth pointing out that after 20 years and 12.7% of the vote UKIP succeeded in forcing that referendum, and it will not have gone unnoticed at both Labour and Tory HQ that after just three years Reform UK won 14% of the vote. This is not complicated, the biggest recruiting sergeant for Reform UK is continued mass/illegal immigration. Farage doesn't have to do anything, Reform UK's future lies in the hands of Starmer and whoever wins the Tory leadership race. Personally, I think Reform will go from strength to strength. Did I say "full"?
Although BNP never had that many paid-up supporters. Its rump was mainly shaven-headed football hooligans with a few middle class clerical types, who enjoyed dishing out beatings. But its views on race chimed with those of many Ukip supporters and elderly Conservatives, and some of their MPs.
Ukip disintegrated because it proved muddled and unelectable. Even its best known leader left.
Its successor, Reform — attracting Farage back into public view — drew on dissatisfied ultra-Right Conservative (and Ukip) supporters and managed to get five MPs.
Even the LibDems, with its clowning leader, managed 72...
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Post by patman post on Aug 13, 2024 14:42:41 GMT
Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? Face it, Labour provide a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harbour anti-Semitic sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think would be realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted common sense, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…?
See, I can do that too. It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Not sure I agree. Your couple of attempts seem to indicate a lack of original thought... |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 14:46:15 GMT
Oh dear, oh very dear. I 'almost' feel guilty ridiculing you, but hey, I'll soldier on, lol. See2 my dear deluded lefty friend, the Tories were not in government for 14 years, jeez how many times. And I didn't vote Tory until 2017. Prior to that I voted UKIP for years, which obviously makes me far-right, right? Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? Which BNP sympathies did you find objectionable from their manifesto in 2010 and what were the prejudices? |
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Post by patman post on Aug 13, 2024 15:00:26 GMT
Face it, Ukip provided a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harboured BNP sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think were realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted Ukip, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…? Which BNP sympathies did you find objectionable from their manifesto in 2010 and what were the prejudices? Most of it because its policies' explanations involve the single slant against foreigners and immigrants.
The apple pie and motherhood promises are sops to cover its racist policies.
Which of its fundamental policies appeal to you...?
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 13, 2024 15:08:49 GMT
If UKIP was full of BNP sympathisers it wouldn't have disintegrated after the referendum. Quite clearly UKIP's reason for existing was to pressure the government into allowing that long overdue referendum... and I think it's worth pointing out that after 20 years and 12.7% of the vote UKIP succeeded in forcing that referendum, and it will not have gone unnoticed at both Labour and Tory HQ that after just three years Reform UK won 14% of the vote. This is not complicated, the biggest recruiting sergeant for Reform UK is continued mass/illegal immigration. Farage doesn't have to do anything, Reform UK's future lies in the hands of Starmer and whoever wins the Tory leadership race. Personally, I think Reform will go from strength to strength. Did I say "full"?
Although BNP never had that many paid-up supporters. Its rump was mainly shaven-headed football hooligans with a few middle class clerical types, who enjoyed dishing out beatings. But its views on race chimed with those of many Ukip supporters and elderly Conservatives, and some of their MPs.
Ukip disintegrated because it proved muddled and unelectable. Even its best known leader left.
Its successor, Reform — attracting Farage back into public view — drew on dissatisfied ultra-Right Conservative (and Ukip) supporters and managed to get five MPs.
Even the LibDems, with its clowning leader, managed 72...
The average Labour voting Daily Mirror reader ( hardly a bastion of moderation or the right) doesn't like foreigners ''taking our jobs'' |
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Post by patman post on Aug 13, 2024 15:27:47 GMT
Selected text from Mirror 17 Jun 2024 We need to be more welcoming, because if we don't they will go and produce economic benefits, and future taxpayers, somewhere else. And granny will be dependent upon Gen Zedders who want to make a meaningful social contribution via YouTube.
It is ironic that the people least inclined to want more immigration - the over-75s - have the greatest need of them. To not only fund their pensions, but to mow their lawns, empty their bins, and provide domiciliary care. Younger people are less likely to have a problem with immigration, but those who do are more likely to come from areas of high unemployment, and to believe it's the migrants taking all the jobs rather than, for example, the fact that Merthyr Tydfil had its hope hollowed out 40 years ago and no bugger has bothered to replace it.
But it is the grey vote which matters most at the ballot box, and it is they who are most likely make everyone worse off in the belief the only impact they'll feel is a whiter Britain. They associate the prosperity of their youth with the fact almost everyone they knew was young, and white. They have forgotten that their granny died at 60, not 80, there was no NHS, the state pension was a few breadcrumbs, and home ownership was something that only applied to dukes.
As the birth rate resets to something a little more sustainable, our politicians need to admit what they have so long avoided saying: that voters need to accept either more migrants, or significantly less of everything else.
No-one will, for at least the next Parliament. And Nigel certainly won't, even though he's got the oldest and most racist voters of them all - the truth would make him implode. If you really love Britain, and want to see it thrive, then the only way is mass immigration.
But they didn't put that on the bus, did they?
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 13, 2024 15:52:11 GMT
Labour have not lost control
But they have a monumental task of repairing so much damage to our country and public services, with finances been in such a terrible situation and stagnant growth since before the pandemic, there is little money to put right all the Tory damage.
This afternoon I read with utter disbelief that Tory leadership contender Tom Tugendhat has claimed that Keir Starmer is "making it up" that prisons were full and that there was a crisis.
You couldn't make this up - It was the previous prisons minister and Rishi Sunak who informed the country that there was a prisons crisis, and the new government inherited it, along with the rest of the mess.
It took Blair several years to make good on his promise to repair the Tory damage to the NHS, and to reduce both the waiting lists and waiting times, but he did meet that promise.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 13, 2024 15:55:11 GMT
Selected text from Mirror 17 Jun 2024 We need to be more welcoming, because if we don't they will go and produce economic benefits, and future taxpayers, somewhere else. And granny will be dependent upon Gen Zedders who want to make a meaningful social contribution via YouTube.
It is ironic that the people least inclined to want more immigration - the over-75s - have the greatest need of them. To not only fund their pensions, but to mow their lawns, empty their bins, and provide domiciliary care. Younger people are less likely to have a problem with immigration, but those who do are more likely to come from areas of high unemployment, and to believe it's the migrants taking all the jobs rather than, for example, the fact that Merthyr Tydfil had its hope hollowed out 40 years ago and no bugger has bothered to replace it.
But it is the grey vote which matters most at the ballot box, and it is they who are most likely make everyone worse off in the belief the only impact they'll feel is a whiter Britain. They associate the prosperity of their youth with the fact almost everyone they knew was young, and white. They have forgotten that their granny died at 60, not 80, there was no NHS, the state pension was a few breadcrumbs, and home ownership was something that only applied to dukes.
As the birth rate resets to something a little more sustainable, our politicians need to admit what they have so long avoided saying: that voters need to accept either more migrants, or significantly less of everything else.
No-one will, for at least the next Parliament. And Nigel certainly won't, even though he's got the oldest and most racist voters of them all - the truth would make him implode. If you really love Britain, and want to see it thrive, then the only way is mass immigration.
But they didn't put that on the bus, did they?
They didn't put it in the Labour Party manifesto either - perhaps they are riddled with BNP supporters?...  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 13, 2024 16:00:24 GMT
Face it, Labour provide a ‘decent’ home for many voters who really harbour anti-Semitic sympathies, but who were worried about openly stating their major prejudices. Which of your hopes do you think would be realised (or hoped would be) once you deserted common sense, and pitched in behind a party that had been experiencing internal war since the mid-nineties…?
See, I can do that too. It's said that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Not sure I agree. Your couple of attempts seem to indicate a lack of original thought... Albeit somewhat closer to the truth than your hackneyed lefty tropes. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 17:24:12 GMT
Which BNP sympathies did you find objectionable from their manifesto in 2010 and what were the prejudices? Most of it because its policies' explanations involve the single slant against foreigners and immigrants.
The apple pie and motherhood promises are sops to cover its racist policies.
Which of its fundamental policies appeal to you...?
Most countries in the world have Constitutions that limit foreign influx and preserve the native culture by law including India Pakistan and Nigeria. Why would the British people be different. We accept the Native American right to live on land and expel who they like if they are not of native heritage in a defined way. Why is it only white people that have to overarchingly be tolerate of that which will clearly make them minorities in their own country. The BNP manifesto was clear cut in terms of law what specifically was unfair in your eyes. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 13, 2024 17:26:18 GMT
Did I say "full"?
Although BNP never had that many paid-up supporters. Its rump was mainly shaven-headed football hooligans with a few middle class clerical types, who enjoyed dishing out beatings. But its views on race chimed with those of many Ukip supporters and elderly Conservatives, and some of their MPs.
Ukip disintegrated because it proved muddled and unelectable. Even its best known leader left.
Its successor, Reform — attracting Farage back into public view — drew on dissatisfied ultra-Right Conservative (and Ukip) supporters and managed to get five MPs.
Even the LibDems, with its clowning leader, managed 72...
The average Labour voting Daily Mirror reader ( hardly a bastion of moderation or the right) doesn't like foreigners ''taking our jobs'' Even Brown promised British jobs for British people and that was popular although clearly another lie. |
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