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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 19:30:55 GMT
LOL, calm down dear and stop shouting. On 6th July Starmer hilariously announced to the country that he had a clear mandate to govern for all for corners of the UK, when he said this, two thirds of the population laughed out loud. Yes Starmer won, was it a convincing win? Of course not and it will be of little comfort to Starmer that he won an election with 34% of the vote, and in 2019 Corbyn lost with 40% of the vote. Which means Corbyn, who was bloody useless, was more popular than Starmer. Could it be because Labour won this time, and not the Tories? All The Best new labour didnt win. Under the accepted bar for a majority government in Westminster , we normally expect to see a party hit 40% or more of the vote share. Starmer got the lowest vote share of any majority government in history since the universal vote , of a mere 33.7%. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 4, 2024 19:33:16 GMT
Funny thing, when there is a burglary, you can't find a copper for love or money they are so busy with everything else, but suddenly there are thousands of them in full riot gear protecting bad political decisions, just a thought. I watched an item on the 8pm news this evening about three people who took part in 'far right riots' and have already been identified arrested and charged, and the police say more will follow. And in other news, two Pakistanis who violently assaulted police at Manchester airport two weeks ago still havent been charged. Two tier policing? Perish the thought... As I say Rackham they might well be trying to turn this into a left and right issue, it runs much deeper than that. |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 4, 2024 19:36:29 GMT
Could it be because Labour won this time, and not the Tories? All The Best new labour didnt win. Under the accepted bar for a majority government in Westminster , we normally expect to see a party hit 40% or more of the vote share. Starmer got the lowest vote share of any majority government in history since the universal vote , of a mere 33.7%. I remember being asked by the rabid conservatives what we populists were planning, just to make sure the next government couldn't say they had a mandate after being stitched up by the last one, it worked out just fine and politicians have to lie even more than usual. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 19:45:53 GMT
new labour didnt win. Under the accepted bar for a majority government in Westminster , we normally expect to see a party hit 40% or more of the vote share. Starmer got the lowest vote share of any majority government in history since the universal vote , of a mere 33.7%. I remember being asked by the rabid conservatives what we populists were planning, just to make sure the next government couldn't say they had a mandate after being stitched up by the last one, it worked out just fine and politicians have to lie even more than usual. people like ProVeritas are a large part of the problem with democracy in this country. Rather than see a democratic system put in place that allows parties like reform uk 91 seats proportionally , they would rather labour burn the house of cards down on a tiny minority of the vote to grasp what ever power they can for however short a time to deny it to the tories. They cant think outside their two party bubble , nor realise the majority of the uk is sick to the teeth of the red and blue tories , and that fptp is in total disintegration while the uk goes multi party. ....but then , we have seen all this before with the liberal left in 2016 haven't we? the baby was to get thrown out with the bathwater because they couldnt accept a simple majority decision on a yes or no question. 51.89 % wasnt enough on a 72% turnout , but 33.7% on a 59 % turnout is. …Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/ |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 19:48:25 GMT
Could it be because Labour won this time, and not the Tories? All The Best new labour didnt win. So who is in office right now? I mean it can't be Labour, because you've just said they didn't win. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 19:50:38 GMT
I remember being asked by the rabid conservatives what we populists were planning, just to make sure the next government couldn't say they had a mandate after being stitched up by the last one, it worked out just fine and politicians have to lie even more than usual. , they would rather labour burn the house of cards down on a tiny minority of the vote to grasp what ever power they can for however short a time to deny it to the tories. They cant think outside their two party bubble , nor realise the majority of the uk is sick to the teeth of the red and blue tories , and that fptp is in total disintegration while the uk goes multi party. ....but then , we have seen all this before with the liberal left in 2016 haven't we? the baby was to get thrown out with the bathwater because they couldnt accept a simple majority decision on a yes or no question. 51.89 % wasnt enough on a 72% turnout , but 33.7% on a 59 % turnout is. …Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/See you are lying about me again. I have advocated for PR since 1986, since 1988 (when I became eligible to vote) I have - every single year - lobbied my MP to ask them to support any and all actions to bring about electoral change so that we have PR. I want PR -it helps keeps lunatics out of power. All The Best |
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Post by sheepy on Aug 4, 2024 19:51:50 GMT
I told you all months ago it be purely by default.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 19:56:21 GMT
So who is in office right now? I mean it can't be Labour, because you've just said they didn't win. All The Best ....because they are in office against the very essence of democracy , that is popular support , doesn't mean they won. you should have been the largest party in a hung parliament in a civilised society . |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 19:57:48 GMT
people like ProVeritas are a large part of the problem with democracy in this country. Rather than see a democratic system put in place that allows parties like reform uk 91 seats proportionally , they would rather labour burn the house of cards down on a tiny minority of the vote to grasp what ever power they can for however short a time to deny it to the tories. They cant think outside their two party bubble , nor realise the majority of the uk is sick to the teeth of the red and blue tories , and that fptp is in total disintegration while the uk goes multi party. ....but then , we have seen all this before with the liberal left in 2016 haven't we? the baby was to get thrown out with the bathwater because they couldnt accept a simple majority decision on a yes or no question. 51.89 % wasnt enough on a 72% turnout , but 33.7% on a 59 % turnout is. …Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/ See you are lying about me again. I have advocated for PR since 1986, since 1988 (when I became eligible to vote) I have - every single year - lobbied my MP to ask them to support any and all actions to bring about electoral change so that we have PR. I want PR -it helps keeps lunatics out of power. All The Best ....so why are you defending the anti democratic labour result then caller? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 4, 2024 20:00:50 GMT
I remember being asked by the rabid conservatives what we populists were planning, just to make sure the next government couldn't say they had a mandate after being stitched up by the last one, it worked out just fine and politicians have to lie even more than usual. people like ProVeritas are a large part of the problem with democracy in this country. Rather than see a democratic system put in place that allows parties like reform uk 91 seats proportionally , they would rather labour burn the house of cards down on a tiny minority of the vote to grasp what ever power they can for however short a time to deny it to the tories. They cant think outside their two party bubble , nor realise the majority of the uk is sick to the teeth of the red and blue tories , and that fptp is in total disintegration while the uk goes multi party. ....but then , we have seen all this before with the liberal left in 2016 haven't we? the baby was to get thrown out with the bathwater because they couldnt accept a simple majority decision on a yes or no question. 51.89 % wasnt enough on a 72% turnout , but 33.7% on a 59 % turnout is. …Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/Absolutely spot on.
And yet some are still pretending that Labour have some kind of mandate, while 8/10 didn't vote for them.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 20:01:51 GMT
So who is in office right now? I mean it can't be Labour, because you've just said they didn't win. All The Best ....because they are in office against the very essence of democracy , that is popular support , No they are NOT. Popular Support means NOTHING under our Electoral Rules. Seats Won means everything. I happen not to like that, I'd prefer PR. Heck, I don't even particularly like Labour, they are only very marginally preferable to the Tories to me, because they are in effect Tories with different coloured ties. But I am not childish enough to deny that Labour won the election fairly, as determined by our current electoral rules. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 20:03:25 GMT
See you are lying about me again. I have advocated for PR since 1986, since 1988 (when I became eligible to vote) I have - every single year - lobbied my MP to ask them to support any and all actions to bring about electoral change so that we have PR. I want PR -it helps keeps lunatics out of power. All The Best ....so why are you defending the anti democratic labour result then caller? If you are too fucking ignorant to work it out, no amount of time or effort on my part is going to help you. As my uncle says "you just can't help stupid". All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 20:04:25 GMT
people like ProVeritas are a large part of the problem with democracy in this country. Rather than see a democratic system put in place that allows parties like reform uk 91 seats proportionally , they would rather labour burn the house of cards down on a tiny minority of the vote to grasp what ever power they can for however short a time to deny it to the tories. They cant think outside their two party bubble , nor realise the majority of the uk is sick to the teeth of the red and blue tories , and that fptp is in total disintegration while the uk goes multi party. ....but then , we have seen all this before with the liberal left in 2016 haven't we? the baby was to get thrown out with the bathwater because they couldnt accept a simple majority decision on a yes or no question. 51.89 % wasnt enough on a 72% turnout , but 33.7% on a 59 % turnout is. …Labour’s 63% of seats were won from just 34% of the vote – the largest overrepresentation ever in a British general election.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2024/7/6/election-2024-our-least-representative-election-ever/Absolutely spot on.
And yet some are still pretending that Labour have some kind of mandate, while 8/10 didn't vote for them.
while at the same time sitting scratching their heads why the uk public , who didnt vote for labour , are sitting simmering with anger and resentment. starmer has no mandate anywhere in the uk. no mandate to cull 100 000 Scottish North Sea jobs , no mandate to cull the winter fuel payment for pensioners , no mandate to do fuck all. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 20:09:19 GMT
....because they are in office against the very essence of democracy , that is popular support , No they are NOT. Popular Support means NOTHING under our Electoral Rules. Seats Won means everything. I happen not to like that, I'd prefer PR. Heck, I don't even particularly like Labour, they are only very marginally preferable to the Tories to me, because they are in effect Tories with different coloured ties. But I am not childish enough to deny that Labour won the election fairly, as determined by our current electoral rules. All The Best this isnt the norm. Since the end of the war , 47 % on average have received an mp they had no hand in electing. This year , because fptp was never designed for such a multi party system , this has now jumped to a record breaking 58 % , the most unrepresentative in uk history. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 20:11:00 GMT
....so why are you defending the anti democratic labour result then caller? If you are too fucking ignorant to work it out, no amount of time or effort on my part is going to help you. As my uncle says "you just can't help stupid". All The Best I have worked it out. You would rather burn the uk down with an anti democratic labour government with no mandate , than see the tories ( or any other unsavoury party you hate)in power. Delusional thinking. you and people like you are a large part of the problem within the uk. |
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