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Post by Vinny on Aug 4, 2024 15:30:51 GMT
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 15:36:04 GMT
Prediction. In response to anti immigration riots in Britain the government will do little to address immigration but will seek to restrict free speech online. Yes it's comming. Starmer will sign up to the EU Digital Services Act (DSA) which is widely seen as censorship of the internet. I have advocated in favour of Freedom Of Speech all my adult life. NOTE: Freedom Of Speech does NOT entail freedom from consequences, I firmly believe that we all should face the consequences of our actions. I admit I have not read every single provision of the EU-DSA (primarily because we are not in the EU and thee is no clear legal framework for us to adopt the DSA), but what I have read has not triggered any alarms about curtailing of Freedom Of Speech. Could you perhaps point to the parts that you think do? However, most of the key provisions of the DSA seem to already be covered by the UK Online Safety Act (2023) signed into law by the Conservatives. In fact a quick read of the UK-OSA shows that it really only extends the prohibition of certain acts that are already prohibited in the real world to the virtual world of the internet. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 15:37:34 GMT
Yes it is, people keep drowning as a result of people smuggling (which is illegal). Wrong. People keep on drowning because they CHOOSE to try and enter the UK Illegally. If there were not criminals CHOOSING to do that the People Smugglers would be out of business tomorrow. All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 4, 2024 15:38:39 GMT
Children sometimes drown with them, that to me is a problem.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 15:44:30 GMT
Children sometimes drown with them, that to me is a problem. Who is responsible for those children drowning? 1) The parents for taking them along. 2) France for permitting them passage through France to the Normandy coast. I am genuinely not seeing how any of it is our responsibility. All The Best |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 4, 2024 15:53:35 GMT
1) I am not arguing to mollycoddle illegal immigrants.
2) France and the EU need to be told bluntly sort it out, stop the gangs.
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 16:11:55 GMT
Prediction. In response to anti immigration riots in Britain the government will do little to address immigration but will seek to restrict free speech online. the starmer dictator most certainly will , so I fully agree with you. When you have no majority mandate from the people , wafer thin support from the electorate , and are clueless what to do about the big issues of the day ( instead of sitting on your hands in opposition carping fro the sidelines) then the new labour way is to curtail freedom of speech . It's rinse and repeat of what we saw in many ways between 1997 and 2010. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 4, 2024 16:15:52 GMT
and there is a big question mark over how many are legitimate refugees, after all, we're surrounded by safe countries. Question mark? What question mark? They are all frauds |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 4, 2024 16:19:43 GMT
Yes it's comming. Starmer will sign up to the EU Digital Services Act (DSA) which is widely seen as censorship of the internet. I have advocated in favour of Freedom Of Speech all my adult life. NOTE: Freedom Of Speech does NOT entail freedom from consequences, I firmly believe that we all should face the consequences of our actions. I admit I have not read every single provision of the EU-DSA (primarily because we are not in the EU and thee is no clear legal framework for us to adopt the DSA), but what I have read has not triggered any alarms about curtailing of Freedom Of Speech. Could you perhaps point to the parts that you think do? However, most of the key provisions of the DSA seem to already be covered by the UK Online Safety Act (2023) signed into law by the Conservatives. In fact a quick read of the UK-OSA shows that it really only extends the prohibition of certain acts that are already prohibited in the real world to the virtual world of the internet. All The Best In my experience many people who claim to be supporters of free speech, often very vociferously, are really only interested in silencing opposing opinions. Immigration is a good example. Like the vast majority of people I oppose mass immigration, as far as lefties are concerned that makes me a far right extremist. An interesting quote on free speech from Appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley... ... Free speech includes not only the inoffensive, but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having.
Well said Sir Stephen. Starmer and lefties everywhere would do well to take note of Sir Stephens wise words. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 4, 2024 16:20:03 GMT
2) France and the EU need to be told bluntly sort it out, stop the gangs. dont agree with you. The problem of illegal immigration doesn't start and end with France and the EU. Many European countries , and world countries , have problems with mass uncontrolled immigration. We once had for example gaddafi patrolling Europes southern border on the opposite side of the mediteranean , until the yanks decided he wasnt towing their line and needed removed. after gaddafis removal , the floodgates along Europes southern border opened , and the Mediterranean countries were left to clear up the mess America had left in their wake. Perhaps if countries such as the united state and others stopped invading other countries , or turning these nations into hellholes with their sanctions , we wouldn't see the mass movement of these people to countries where they can get a better standard of life. Mass uncontrolled immigration is all our problems. You cant keep batting the problem away short term to near neighbours. you blame the French , the French blame the Spanish greeks and Italians , and so one and so forth. |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 4, 2024 17:17:04 GMT
And what better way to show one's patriotism than torching police stations and Citizens Advice Bureaus and hospitalising police officers. The people standing in solidarity with targeted minorities and volunteering to clean after the scumbag thugs, they are the real patriots who embody British values. Looking at the photos in this article the counter protesters don't look very warm and cuddly either - there are flares , vile placards objecting/commending all sorts Mixed messages - violence/destruction is wrong and should be firmly stamped on no matter the cause |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 17:35:45 GMT
Prediction. In response to anti immigration riots in Britain the government will do little to address immigration but will seek to restrict free speech online. the starmer dictator most certainly will , so I fully agree with you. When you have no majority mandate from the people , wafer thin support from the electorate , and are clueless what to do about the big issues of the day ( instead of sitting on your hands in opposition carping fro the sidelines) then the new labour way is to curtail freedom of speech . It's rinse and repeat of what we saw in many ways between 1997 and 2010. Oh fuck me. Another fucktard who doesn't understand how our electoral system works. Labour has a Majority Mandate. That is the WON the MAJORITY of SEATS. Did you piss and moan when FPTP put Johnson in office? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 4, 2024 17:37:56 GMT
I have advocated in favour of Freedom Of Speech all my adult life. NOTE: Freedom Of Speech does NOT entail freedom from consequences, I firmly believe that we all should face the consequences of our actions. I admit I have not read every single provision of the EU-DSA (primarily because we are not in the EU and thee is no clear legal framework for us to adopt the DSA), but what I have read has not triggered any alarms about curtailing of Freedom Of Speech. Could you perhaps point to the parts that you think do? However, most of the key provisions of the DSA seem to already be covered by the UK Online Safety Act (2023) signed into law by the Conservatives. In fact a quick read of the UK-OSA shows that it really only extends the prohibition of certain acts that are already prohibited in the real world to the virtual world of the internet. All The Best In my experience many people who claim to be supporters of free speech, often very vociferously, are really only interested in silencing opposing opinions. Immigration is a good example. Like the vast majority of people I oppose mass immigration, as far as lefties are concerned that makes me a far right extremist. An interesting quote on free speech from Appeal court judge the Rt Hon Sir Stephen Sedley... ... Free speech includes not only the inoffensive, but the irritating, the contentious, the eccentric, the heretical, the unwelcome and the provocative. Freedom only to speak inoffensively is not a freedom worth having.
Well said Sir Stephen. Starmer and lefties everywhere would do well to take note of Sir Stephens wise words. I oppose mass immigration. Have been called a fascist and a racist because of it hundreds of times. I have no problem with offensive freedom of speech. I do have a problem with freedom of speech that amounts to incitement to commit illegal acts. All The Best |
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Post by Orac on Aug 4, 2024 17:39:02 GMT
I wonder if the UK government has an estimate on the number of far right extremists the uk has. Going by the news coverage, i would estimate about 30 - 40 million
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 4, 2024 17:51:34 GMT
Given that Starmer cannot describe what a woman or working class is, what chance of him getting 'far right extremist' right?
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