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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 3, 2022 22:12:23 GMT
I must say the Zany we see here appears to have undergone a Damascene conversion from the Zany we knew of old.
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Post by zanygame on Dec 3, 2022 23:01:31 GMT
I must say the Zany we see here appears to have undergone a Damascene conversion from the Zany we knew of old. No. He was just never as stereotyped as you needed him to be. He still hates racists and those who try to divide, but he sees the damage to that issue these stupid people are causing. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 4, 2022 9:26:53 GMT
I must say the Zany we see here appears to have undergone a Damascene conversion from the Zany we knew of old. No. He was just never as stereotyped as you needed him to be. He still hates racists and those who try to divide, but he sees the damage to that issue these stupid people are causing. Many people warned that this would be the case but they were shouted down as racist, perhaps one should look to the Holier than Thou anti racists who in the end have encouraged a zero tolerance on racism that is the very thing the malcontents and the disaffected use to such good effect. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 9:43:18 GMT
No. He was just never as stereotyped as you needed him to be. He still hates racists and those who try to divide, but he sees the damage to that issue these stupid people are causing. Many people warned that this would be the case but they were shouted down as racist, perhaps one should look to the Holier than Thou anti racists who in the end have encouraged a zero tolerance on racism that is the very thing the malcontents and the disaffected use to such good effect. I have been a lone voice for a long time saying that we should have a ZERO tolerance for racism but that we need to recognise the difference between racism and innocent mistakes. That Racists use this poor old lady just as wickedly as do the woke. Whether a remark is racist should be based on its intent, if that intent is in doubt it should be questioned further before deciding. We need to make it clear that we will no longer accept that the accidental insult should result in anything more than the gentle apology. At the moment the Woke are so proud of their credentials but the Racists are winning the public opinion wars. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 4, 2022 9:53:49 GMT
Many people warned that this would be the case but they were shouted down as racist, perhaps one should look to the Holier than Thou anti racists who in the end have encouraged a zero tolerance on racism that is the very thing the malcontents and the disaffected use to such good effect. I have been a lone voice for a long time saying that we should have a ZERO tolerance for racism but that we need to recognise the difference between racism and innocent mistakes. That Racists use this poor old lady just as wickedly as do the woke. Whether a remark is racist should be based on its intent, if that intent is in doubt it should be questioned further before deciding. We need to make it clear that we will no longer accept that the accidental insult should result in anything more than the gentle apology. At the moment the Woke are so proud of their credentials but the Racists are winning the public opinion wars. Once again I agree, most people can see this for what it is, this old dear was clearly setup.
It's lost all credibility once you know this black lady was recording private conversations, something I find very suspicious.
This incident will make people very suspicious of future claims of racism, this black lady is fueling racism, and will make genuine victims of nasty racism less likely to come forward, is anyone going to publicly call this black lady out, so far they media are supporting her, even though they are now in charge of the full facts, the old dear was setup.
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 4, 2022 10:02:43 GMT
Crap how was the this crimimally insane old women set up and what recording ive only seen the idiotic suggestion by you and others on here and the serial racist Forage
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 4, 2022 10:08:46 GMT
Crap how was the this crimimally insane old women set up and what recording ive only seen the idiotic suggestion by you and others on here and the serial racist Forage Take it from me, if you ever have a conversation with someone and you find out it was being recorded, I suggest alarm bells start ringing, no normal people record conversations unless they have a sinister motive, or unless she's a undercover FBI agent, as far as I know most police have to apply to the courts for a warrant to record people and conversations. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 10:21:50 GMT
Crap how was the this crimimally insane old women set up and what recording ive only seen the idiotic suggestion by you and others on here and the serial racist Forage Am I to be included in this description? You will find me tackling spurious racist claims all over this site. And I say this Lady was targeted by this black women who was looking for a reason to be insulted and display her woke credentials. She could have easily just answered the old lady or even explained why she found the question insulting. That there was clearly no intent to harm is obvious to me. That a person should lose their position and standing from such a minor infringement of manners is disgusting. All I can say is watch out. If you tolerate this you may well be next. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 4, 2022 10:22:06 GMT
So someone born in north London culturally appropriates the name and dress of a person from Africa - so is cultural appropriation OK or not? Excellent question. Can't wait for the answer. A question I would ask that women would be why on earth did you go public with what the elderly woman said, at any gathering party whatever you end up talking to someone, if you don't like their conversation, you nod smile and make an excuse to move away from them. As you posted earlier, she only helps black women who have suffered domestic abuse, does that included mixed race women as well and why not white women, if she does not because they are white not black that to me is racial discrimination. When the wife and I go away for weekend break which we have done this year when lockdown was lifted, you get chatting to people in the Hotel Bar, conversation usually starts off with are you local? No just driven down from London for the weekend, which part of London are you a Londoner? No, I am originally from the North, wife is not English she gravitated to London for work that's how met. Then they usually tell you where they are from, we had a hell of job getting here due to traffic on the M1 or whatever, small talk it's what most people do |
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Post by Orac on Dec 4, 2022 11:12:17 GMT
I have been a lone voice for a long time saying that we should have a ZERO tolerance for racism but that we need to recognise the difference between racism and innocent mistakes. The combination of absolutism (ie zero tolerance) and a vaguely defined concept like racism, is (to borrow woke terminology) 'problematic'. Is what this lady did racism? If you feel it isn't, can you show this logically? Doesn't your zero tolerance approach mean that edge cases should probably be included, to be on the safe side? I have no doubt you created this stance with good intentions and a clear vision of what you felt should not be tolerated, but other people have other notions and you can't use that single vague word (racism) to prove them wrong. I would say that an absolutist (zero tolerance) approach to racism is an absurdity. Are we allowed to mention that we have different families and come from different fathers and mothers, or is this reality intrinsically racist? How much of mundane reality would have to become taboo to achieve your vision as it is stated? |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 4, 2022 11:19:13 GMT
I have been a lone voice for a long time saying that we should have a ZERO tolerance for racism but that we need to recognise the difference between racism and innocent mistakes. The combination of absolutism (ie zero tolerance) and a vaguely defined concept like racism, is (to borrow woke terminology) 'problematic'. Is what this lady did racism? If you feel it isn't, can you show this logically? Doesn't your zero tolerance approach mean that edge cases should probably be included, to be on the safe side? I have no doubt you created this stance with good intentions and a clear vision of what you felt should not be tolerated, but other people have other notions and you can't use that single vague word (racism) to prove them wrong. I would say that an absolutist (zero tolerance) approach to racism is an absurdity. Are we allowed to mention that we have different families and come from different fathers and mothers, or is this reality intrinsically racist? How much of mundane reality would have to become taboo to achieve your vision as it is stated? I have clearly stated its intent that matters. If someone's intent is innocent a few questions quickly establish this. |
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Post by Orac on Dec 4, 2022 11:22:33 GMT
I have clearly stated its intent that matters. If someone's intent is innocent a few questions quickly establish this. Does that really help when the concept itself is vague? Someone might claim that trying to evaluate where a person 'came from' is racist. Can you prove them wrong? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2022 11:27:38 GMT
I have clearly stated its intent that matters. If someone's intent is innocent a few questions quickly establish this. Does that really help when the concept itself is vague? Someone might claim that trying to evaluate where a person 'came from' is racist. Can you prove them wrong? So long as somebody perceives it then it is racist. Guilty until proven innocent, at least on social and media circles, which is where lives are destroyed. |
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Post by Handyman on Dec 4, 2022 11:41:27 GMT
Does that really help when the concept itself is vague? Someone might claim that trying to evaluate where a person 'came from' is racist. Can you prove them wrong? So long as somebody perceives it then it is racist. Guilty until proven innocent, at least on social and media circles, which is where lives are destroyed. Yes, all sorts of allegations are made on social and media outlets which cannot be proved or just malicious which has a very negative impact on many people |
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Post by Orac on Dec 4, 2022 11:49:17 GMT
So long as somebody perceives it then it is racist. Guilty until proven innocent, at least on social and media circles, which is where lives are destroyed. Absurd as it sounds, this is a standard that is commonly employed. If the victim feels that particular comments or interaction were a transgression, then they are, by definition, a transgression. The introduction of this Mad Hatter standard was imho a reaction to the very real definition problem. Of course, it just intensifies the absurdity |
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