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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 2, 2024 6:46:48 GMT
I think their appearance in Southport a disgrace can you say the same of those in Rochdale? What happened at Manchester Airport was not clear cut or straight foreward - whereas what happened in Southport was. In Southport it was a clear case of unprovoked and cold blooded murder upon innocent children In the case of Manchester Airport it was a case of young men attacking police officers, which in itself is wrong, and the police had every right to defend themselves and to arrest the assailants. HOWEVER, to then kick one of the assailants in the head, and stamp on his head after been tasered and subdued, laid face down on the floor was way beyond defence, and was unacceptable behaviour from a police officer. The unanswered question with regards to the Manchester incident is WHY ? Apparently it related to some kind of incident on the flight, but to date, no one seems to know what the incident was all about. Bollocks, as usual WF. The unanswered question is why the two brothers who attacked the police causing actual bodily harm have not been charged with anything - it's now 10 days since these thugs attacked the police. Except, of course, we know exactly why they haven't been charged. It's because they're muslims. And we know from the regular pro-Palestinian hate marches all over the country that the police let muslims do exactly what they like - from the grooming gangs to the drug dealers and hate marchers. The police don't touch them because they know it'll spark off a real riot. But fear not. Starmer's now going to sort it all out. He's identified that all the country's problems are caused by the "far Right" and he's going to crack down on them. Tommy Robinson watch out. And to make the streets safer he's going to get the police to guard the mosques. We can't have our peace-loving muslims attacked. What planet is Starmer on. |
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 2, 2024 6:48:55 GMT
Sir Keir has acted right that to the uncivilized rest that brought dishonour And disgrace to the people of Southport Who was mourning the tragic murder of there 3 young daughters at the hands of a evil young man . But them that call themselves patriots brought horror and violence to the town that was Grieving. This is what the Hooligans deserve The banning order prohibiting attendance at a regulated football game can be for up to 10 years, if a term of imprisonment was imposed as part of a criminal prosecution. In other cases it can be for a shorter period. The minimum is a ban for three years.10 Jan 2024 www.hja.net › general-crime The new order will in fact refect the Football banning order that been in use since 1985 From you of course I would expect no less Perhaps before you utter another word you might like to consider Sir Fuckwit's record Here you go ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/thread/7586/prime-minister-hold-press-conference?page=4#post-258590That has noting to do with him trying to get into place a law to stop drunken violent crime on our streets. But i expect nothing else from you. |
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Post by Tinculin on Aug 2, 2024 6:49:37 GMT
You’ve been asked by the OP to keep this on the subject of his OP.
Any further discussion about the Manchester airport incident should take place in its own thread. Further discussion about this will be deleted.
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Post by Totheleft on Aug 2, 2024 6:57:07 GMT
And a foaming pint of Bitter Do they do some decent draught bitter up there ?👍 I not drank for 34 yrs but yea there some pubs that do decent cask Ales |
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Post by steppenwolf on Aug 2, 2024 7:41:42 GMT
You’ve been asked by the OP to keep this on the subject of his OP. Any further discussion about the Manchester airport incident should take place in its own thread. Further discussion about this will be deleted. The title, Tinculin, of the OPs thread was "Sir Keir has it right". TTL is saying that Starmer's diagnosis that the disorder in this country is caused solely by "Far Right" hooligans is correct. How can this be debated in isolation, when it's plain that there have been several other very recent cases where the "far Left" (or the muslims) have started huge riots and the police have done NOTHING. Not only that but Starmer and the home secretary Yvette Cooper have barely even mentioned them. Surely it's no surprise that some non-muslims have looked at this example and decided that this is the way to get heard. "Sir Keir" is not only completely wrong in his diagnosis of the problem but he has demonstrated that he has a very serious case of "tin ear" in the case of politics. It's incredible that he's now PM - he won't last long at this rate. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Aug 2, 2024 7:49:57 GMT
'A riot is the language of the unheard'
Martin Luther King
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 2, 2024 7:59:52 GMT
That has noting to do with him trying to get into place a law to stop drunken violent crime on our streets. But i expect nothing else from you. Do you think we are all stupid on this forum?
The only reason you keep 'repeating' drunken violent crime because the myth that Muslims don't drink rules them out of the violent crimes.
I know lots of Muslims who drink, did the police breathalyze all the Southport protesters, or was it just the likes of Starmer stigmatizing protesters as far-right EDL drunken hooligans.
Starmer is tone deaf, he doesn't get it, he's always been out of touch with the public, instead of stereotyping angry frustrated protesters as far-right drunken football hooligans he needs to get his sorry arse on to the streets and ask the public why they are ANGRY and FRUSTRATED, what is turning law abiding civilized people in to vigilantes that's what he should be ordering a team of people to do, not telling police to arrest every white face that looks angry ..........the daft cnut.
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Post by Hutchyns on Aug 2, 2024 8:43:17 GMT
Fairsociety
Starmer is well aware that the whole of the public had their chance to express their views less than a month ago. If there were important aspects about life within British society they wanted dealing with, they could have selected the Right Wing option, but in most constituencies up and down the country, as we saw, it was the Starmer, Lammy, Yvette Cooper approach than won majority backing ...... hence that's what the public will get now and for a number of years. If there's anger and if there's frustration, the Starmer Government has the power to decide on the miscreants and how they should be dealt with. Our elected leaders, Starmer and Yvette are quite certain who the bad boys are.
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 2, 2024 8:49:42 GMT
Do you think we are all stupid on this forum? Honestly? A lot of the time yes. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 2, 2024 8:51:14 GMT
That has noting to do with him trying to get into place a law to stop drunken violent crime on our streets. But i expect nothing else from you. Do you think we are all stupid on this forum?
The only reason you keep 'repeating' drunken violent crime because the myth that Muslims don't drink rules them out of the violent crimes.
I know lots of Muslims who drink, did the police breathalyze all the Southport protesters, or was it just the likes of Starmer stigmatizing protesters as far-right EDL drunken hooligans.
Starmer is tone deaf, he doesn't get it, he's always been out of touch with the public, instead of stereotyping angry frustrated protesters as far-right drunken football hooligans he needs to get his sorry arse on to the streets and ask the public why they are ANGRY and FRUSTRATED, what is turning law abiding civilized people in to vigilantes that's what he should be ordering a team of people to do, not telling police to arrest every white face that looks angry ..........the daft cnut.
If Starmer is so out of tune with the British public how come he just won a landslide election victory? Have you thought that maybe your side are the ones who are out of touch and that's why you got hammered at the GE? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Aug 2, 2024 8:51:31 GMT
Fairsociety Starmer is well aware that the whole of the public had their chance to express their views less than a month ago. If there were important aspects about life within British society they wanted dealing with, they could have selected the Right Wing option, but in most constituencies up and down the country, as we saw, it was the Starmer, Lammy, Yvette Cooper approach than won majority backing ...... hence that's what the public will get now and for a number of years. If there's anger and if there's frustration, the Starmer Government has the power to decide on the miscreants and how they should be dealt with. Our elected leaders, Starmer and Yvette are quite certain who the bad boys are. The only reason Labour are in power is because the people of the UK are disillusioned with all mainstream political parties and couldn't be bothered turning out to vote, daft stupid dumb Starmer thinks Labour are in power because that's what the people wanted, well he's witnessing what the people want right now, we've haven't seen unrest like this since the 80s, and still Labour DOES NOT GET IT. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 2, 2024 9:07:12 GMT
Fairsociety Starmer is well aware that the whole of the public had their chance to express their views less than a month ago. If there were important aspects about life within British society they wanted dealing with, they could have selected the Right Wing option, but in most constituencies up and down the country, as we saw, it was the Starmer, Lammy, Yvette Cooper approach than won majority backing ...... hence that's what the public will get now and for a number of years. If there's anger and if there's frustration, the Starmer Government has the power to decide on the miscreants and how they should be dealt with. Our elected leaders, Starmer and Yvette are quite certain who the bad boys are. The whole of the public expressed their view and any sensible party would take cognizance of how the people voted to indicate which way the wind is blowing. Those at the head of Labour seem singularly incapable of doing that. Those views were clearly expressed if one looks at the party totals notwithstanding any tactical voting. He had a chance to be a great statesman and unifier and he blew it, instead he acted rather discriminately and with particular venom against those he classifies as far right. The enemy within has become a clear target and it is not those whose culture(s) clash(es) so openly with ours it is those who feel their own culture is being overridden, ignored, denigrated and sidelined. The demonstrations in Whitehall were not violent at all until provoked by many arrests yet they were lumped into the same bracket as the Southport riots. We know now exactly where we stand with Starmer but there was always little doubt. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 2, 2024 9:22:27 GMT
Fairsociety Starmer is well aware that the whole of the public had their chance to express their views less than a month ago. If there were important aspects about life within British society they wanted dealing with, they could have selected the Right Wing option, but in most constituencies up and down the country, as we saw, it was the Starmer, Lammy, Yvette Cooper approach than won majority backing ...... hence that's what the public will get now and for a number of years. If there's anger and if there's frustration, the Starmer Government has the power to decide on the miscreants and how they should be dealt with. Our elected leaders, Starmer and Yvette are quite certain who the bad boys are. The whole of the public expressed their view and any sensible party would take cognizance of how the people voted to indicate which way the wind is blowing. Those at the head of Labour seem singularly incapable of doing that. Those views were clearly expressed if one looks at the party totals notwithstanding any tactical voting. He had a chance to be a great statesman and unifier and he blew it, instead he acted rather discriminately and with particular venom against those he classifies as far right. The enemy within has become a clear target and it is not those whose culture(s) clash(es) so openly with ours it is those who feel their own culture is being overridden, ignored, denigrated and sidelined. The demonstrations in Whitehall were not violent at all until provoked by many arrests yet they were lumped into the same bracket as the Southport riots. We know now exactly where we stand with Starmer but there was always little doubt. "Those at the head of Labour seem singularly incapable of doing that" Yeah the GE was a real disaster for them wasn't it? It's the right who are out of touch, that's why they lost. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 2, 2024 9:28:41 GMT
Fairsociety Starmer is well aware that the whole of the public had their chance to express their views less than a month ago. If there were important aspects about life within British society they wanted dealing with, they could have selected the Right Wing option, but in most constituencies up and down the country, as we saw, it was the Starmer, Lammy, Yvette Cooper approach than won majority backing ...... hence that's what the public will get now and for a number of years. If there's anger and if there's frustration, the Starmer Government has the power to decide on the miscreants and how they should be dealt with. Our elected leaders, Starmer and Yvette are quite certain who the bad boys are. Starmer didn't win majority backing. More voters voted for right wing parties than voted Labour. Labour are only in power due to the vagaries of a failing electoral system and they need to bear that in mind and read the mood music in the country. Or they're going to be facing a lot more serious civil unrest. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 2, 2024 9:46:55 GMT
The whole of the public expressed their view and any sensible party would take cognizance of how the people voted to indicate which way the wind is blowing. Those at the head of Labour seem singularly incapable of doing that. Those views were clearly expressed if one looks at the party totals notwithstanding any tactical voting. He had a chance to be a great statesman and unifier and he blew it, instead he acted rather discriminately and with particular venom against those he classifies as far right. The enemy within has become a clear target and it is not those whose culture(s) clash(es) so openly with ours it is those who feel their own culture is being overridden, ignored, denigrated and sidelined. The demonstrations in Whitehall were not violent at all until provoked by many arrests yet they were lumped into the same bracket as the Southport riots. We know now exactly where we stand with Starmer but there was always little doubt. "Those at the head of Labour seem singularly incapable of doing that" Yeah the GE was a real disaster for them wasn't it? It's the right who are out of touch, that's why they lost. And you seem to share that incapability. The election was an indicative snapshot of what the country wanted at a particular point. The idea of being a statesman is to assess the information you have and come up with a general direction that works in some ways for all. After all the left has been telling us for years that once you are voted into power you represent all your constituents even those you may actively dislike. Starmer has taken lessons from recent events and come to the conclusion that 'the far right' (and no one can define who they are) are the danger and must be watched and suppressed. The rest of us have seen recent events and come to different conclusions that two tier policing is in operation, that anger from anyone white will be suppressed, that anger from Muslims will be appeased with 'community leaders' cossetted, Muslims can violently attack police with impunity and riots from ethnic minorities will be tolerated. What other lessons can be taken? |
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