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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 5, 2024 5:38:18 GMT
If this is really Fox’s account I suspect not long before he’s lifted.
Sadly, Fox is right. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 6:40:21 GMT
Yes Catholic Priests are normally British citizens and are approved by the church. The fact that that approval was often wrong in the past highlights the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen and peole are expected to cope with dozens to hundreds in their neighbourhoods where as Catholic Priest were one or two at best. Just out of curiosity what are your statistical parameters for saying Catholic Priests present a greater risk to local communities. No matter how I work it out they present less of a risk "A 2,500-page report was to be published in October 2021; the head of the independent commission investigating child sexual abuse in the French Catholic Church said that about 3,000 paedophiles, as a minimum estimate, had operated in the church since 1950, with at least 330,000 children sexually abused" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country#:~:text=A%202%2C500%2Dpage%20report%20was,least%20330%2C000%20children%20sexually%20abused. Also, most violent crime is committed by men. You are a man. So by your logic, setting fire to a building with you in it is making our kids safer. You are becoming ever more desperate to come to some logical comparison. We are not in France we are in the UK. I am at a loss to even counter your somewhat strange 'logical' extension which is not logic at all. The point as ever is that Starmer is continuing what appears to be an open door policy on immigration both legal and illegal and in Rayner's words everyone will have to take their 'fair share' around the country. Unknown quantities are those who are arriving and what makes the perceptions even worse is that there is a belief that the authorities cover up migrant crime in the name of community cohesion. That is exacerbated when they find out that some migrants on Bibby Stockholm do not turn up for court and go on the run. Low level reporting of problems from migrants is the order of the day and high level reporting of action against migrants with the accent on far right. People in general are not stupid and can see through how reporting is skewed. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:11:24 GMT
Calling migrants who enter the country from France illegally’ asylum seekers’ is like calling burglars ‘resource seekers ‘. asylum seeker , is fast becoming another of these terms that has become meaningless like racist and much else. You only need to read any of the posts of liberal lefties like pro veritas on many subjects to see the semantic arguments , word games , and stretching the meaning of phrases to the extreme to see this in action. a month in from the election , and the whole uk is rioting under no mandate labour . They haven't a fucking clue what to do. I suppose the only good thing out of all this is by the end of their long damaging 5 year term , they are going to receive such a kicking I hope labour never rise again as a political party. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 7:12:01 GMT
"A 2,500-page report was to be published in October 2021; the head of the independent commission investigating child sexual abuse in the French Catholic Church said that about 3,000 paedophiles, as a minimum estimate, had operated in the church since 1950, with at least 330,000 children sexually abused" en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases_by_country#:~:text=A%202%2C500%2Dpage%20report%20was,least%20330%2C000%20children%20sexually%20abused. Also, most violent crime is committed by men. You are a man. So by your logic, setting fire to a building with you in it is making our kids safer. You are becoming ever more desperate to come to some logical comparison. We are not in France we are in the UK. I am at a loss to even counter your somewhat strange 'logical' extension which is not logic at all. The point as ever is that Starmer is continuing what appears to be an open door policy on immigration both legal and illegal and in Rayner's words everyone will have to take their 'fair share' around the country. Unknown quantities are those who are arriving and what makes the perceptions even worse is that there is a belief that the authorities cover up migrant crime in the name of community cohesion. That is exacerbated when they find out that some migrants on Bibby Stockholm do not turn up for court and go on the run. Low level reporting of problems from migrants is the order of the day and high level reporting of action against migrants with the accent on far right. People in general are not stupid and can see through how reporting is skewed. You're not addressing the point. You can discuss all the things you've listed without setting fire to buildings with men, women and children in. You have defended such actions with the argument it makes kids safer as they don't know the criminal potential of those they attack. I'm pointing out that that could be applied to anyone including you as you belong to a disproportionately violent demographic. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 7:12:55 GMT
Calling migrants who enter the country from France illegally’ asylum seekers’ is like calling burglars ‘resource seekers ‘. asylum seeker , is fast becoming another of these terms that has become meaningless like racist and much else. You only need to read any of the posts of liberal lefties like pro veritas on many subjects to see the semantic arguments , word games , and stretching the meaning of phrases to the extreme to see this in action. a month in from the election , and the whole uk is rioting under no mandate labour . They haven't a fucking clue what to do. I suppose the only good thing out of all this is by the end of their long damaging 5 year term , they are going to receive such a kicking I hope labour never rise again as a political party. It's not the whole UK rioting it's a few hundred thugs. Which specific labour policy do you think has caused this? |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:19:20 GMT
Priests are free to move about their communties as they please. Yes Catholic Priests are normally British citizens and are approved by the church. The fact that that approval was often wrong in the past highlights the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen and peole are expected to cope with dozens to hundreds in their neighbourhoods where as Catholic Priest were one or two at best. Just out of curiosity what are your statistical parameters for saying Catholic Priests present a greater risk to local communities. No matter how I work it out they present less of a risk sandy dont play their game. Scotland and England aren't catholic countries and haven't been for nearly 500 years. in the Republic of Ireland , which is a catholic country , they had to bus in Eastern European priests from Poland such was the distaste the irish had with the Catholic Church and all its revelations over the years. We aren't finding hundreds of thousands catholic priests invading the uk on Hastings beach in Vatican dinghies are we ?Are catholic priests running about Taylor swift parties using machetes on wee lassies? Diversionary nonsense from the liberals , with their migrant good , everyone else bad rhetoric. remember what labour say. You have to shut your mouth for diversity sake. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:24:20 GMT
asylum seeker , is fast becoming another of these terms that has become meaningless like racist and much else. You only need to read any of the posts of liberal lefties like pro veritas on many subjects to see the semantic arguments , word games , and stretching the meaning of phrases to the extreme to see this in action. a month in from the election , and the whole uk is rioting under no mandate labour . They haven't a fucking clue what to do. I suppose the only good thing out of all this is by the end of their long damaging 5 year term , they are going to receive such a kicking I hope labour never rise again as a political party. Which specific labour policy do you think has caused this? shall I give you and pro veritas my account details so you can make up quotes for me and things I have never said? where did I say a specific labour policy had caused all these riots? can you quote me? or if you cant , once again , we can dismiss your silly post with the contempt it deserves. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 7:27:22 GMT
Which specific labour policy do you think has caused this? shall I give you and pro veritas my account details so you can make up quotes for me and things I have never said? where did I say a specific labour policy had caused all these riots? can you quote me? or if you cant , once again , we can dismiss your silly post with the contempt it deserves. So just to clarify you're saying that Labour are not to blame for any of this? |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 7:28:58 GMT
You are becoming ever more desperate to come to some logical comparison. We are not in France we are in the UK. I am at a loss to even counter your somewhat strange 'logical' extension which is not logic at all. The point as ever is that Starmer is continuing what appears to be an open door policy on immigration both legal and illegal and in Rayner's words everyone will have to take their 'fair share' around the country. Unknown quantities are those who are arriving and what makes the perceptions even worse is that there is a belief that the authorities cover up migrant crime in the name of community cohesion. That is exacerbated when they find out that some migrants on Bibby Stockholm do not turn up for court and go on the run. Low level reporting of problems from migrants is the order of the day and high level reporting of action against migrants with the accent on far right. People in general are not stupid and can see through how reporting is skewed. You're not addressing the point. You can discuss all the things you've listed without setting fire to buildings with men, women and children in. You have defended such actions with the argument it makes kids safer as they don't know the criminal potential of those they attack. I'm pointing out that that could be applied to anyone including you as you belong to a disproportionately violent demographic. I keep addressing the point till I am blue in teh face and then the determination to go off tangentially and ignore what I said raises its head again. I will repeat currently there is no know reason why the young man should have stabbed young girls, we can guess but we do not know. They presented no known danger to him, unless he was immersed in critical race theory. Is there a perception that the asylum seekers represent an increased threat to local people. I would say there is and the reasons are fairly sound as to why people perceive that as one of the problems it is completely unknown who they are, where they are from, what crimes they have committed and what cultural proclivities come with them. So in the first instance we can understand the antipathy to having an asylum centre near one. Does that give the right for people to burn buildings to the ground of course it does not but we also have to add into the mix the attitude of the government which is perceived to be the arrivals will go on uncontested in potentially greater numbers and you will all have to muck in and help. Some people are saying no that is not the case and with them comes the people who enjoy a fight. I remember the poll tax riots where police cars were destroyed and the left were cock-a-hoop at Thatcher having to back track on the policy. The lesson was that rioting works. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:29:16 GMT
shall I give you and pro veritas my account details so you can make up quotes for me and things I have never said? where did I say a specific labour policy had caused all these riots? can you quote me? or if you cant , once again , we can dismiss your silly post with the contempt it deserves. So just to clarify you're saying that Labour are not to blame for any of this? re read my posts in the thread , and when you understand what has been written , come back to me and lets try debate , instead of inventions of things I never said. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:33:06 GMT
I see the lefties are on twitter blaming Elon musk for the riots , because he dared allow Tommy Robinson a platform.
honestly , these people are in cloud cuckoo land.
I mind them saying similar with nick griffin all those years ago , how he should be deplatformed and not allowed a voice , while many others defended his right to speak however much they disagreed with them.
I think we were saying on here yesterday how the left hate free speech , and certainly hate democracy.
Its going to get worse im thinking.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 5, 2024 7:40:41 GMT
Yes Catholic Priests are normally British citizens and are approved by the church. The fact that that approval was often wrong in the past highlights the problem of having Zilch information as regards a person who is not a British Citizen and peole are expected to cope with dozens to hundreds in their neighbourhoods where as Catholic Priest were one or two at best. Just out of curiosity what are your statistical parameters for saying Catholic Priests present a greater risk to local communities. No matter how I work it out they present less of a risk sandy dont play their game. Scotland and England aren't catholic countries and haven't been for nearly 500 years. in the Republic of Ireland , which is a catholic country , they had to bus in Eastern European priests from Poland such was the distaste the irish had with the Catholic Church and all its revelations over the years. We aren't finding hundreds of thousands catholic priests invading the uk on Hastings beach in Vatican dinghies are we ?Are catholic priests running about Taylor swift parties using machetes on wee lassies? Diversionary nonsense from the liberals , with their migrant good , everyone else bad rhetoric. remember what labour say. You have to shut your mouth for diversity sake. Oh it is the old tale of misrepresentation and false logic as well as dubious stats. They will however be very precise as it suits. The young man killing wee lassies was Welsh. At this point their logic is always in their eyes unassailable as he is not a migrant nor an illegal migrant and his actions reflect not one ilk on either group. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 7:46:25 GMT
You're not addressing the point. You can discuss all the things you've listed without setting fire to buildings with men, women and children in. You have defended such actions with the argument it makes kids safer as they don't know the criminal potential of those they attack. I'm pointing out that that could be applied to anyone including you as you belong to a disproportionately violent demographic. I keep addressing the point till I am blue in teh face and then the determination to go off tangentially and ignore what I said raises its head again. I will repeat currently there is no know reason why the young man should have stabbed young girls, we can guess but we do not know. They presented no known danger to him, unless he was immersed in critical race theory. Is there a perception that the asylum seekers represent an increased threat to local people. I would say there is and the reasons are fairly sound as to why people perceive that as one of the problems it is completely unknown who they are, where they are from, what crimes they have committed and what cultural proclivities come with them. So in the first instance we can understand the antipathy to having an asylum centre near one. Does that give the right for people to burn buildings to the ground of course it does not but we also have to add into the mix the attitude of the government which is perceived to be the arrivals will go on uncontested in potentially greater numbers and you will all have to muck in and help. Some people are saying no that is not the case and with them comes the people who enjoy a fight. I remember the poll tax riots where police cars were destroyed and the left were cock-a-hoop at Thatcher having to back track on the policy. The lesson was that rioting works. Men are responsible for the vast majority of violent crime. If someone were to set fire to a building with you in that would have to be taken into consideration by your logic. |
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Post by thomas on Aug 5, 2024 7:48:40 GMT
sandy dont play their game. Scotland and England aren't catholic countries and haven't been for nearly 500 years. in the Republic of Ireland , which is a catholic country , they had to bus in Eastern European priests from Poland such was the distaste the irish had with the Catholic Church and all its revelations over the years. We aren't finding hundreds of thousands catholic priests invading the uk on Hastings beach in Vatican dinghies are we ?Are catholic priests running about Taylor swift parties using machetes on wee lassies? Diversionary nonsense from the liberals , with their migrant good , everyone else bad rhetoric. remember what labour say. You have to shut your mouth for diversity sake. Oh it is the old tale of misrepresentation and false logic as well as dubious stats. They will however be very precise as it suits. The young man killing wee lassies was Welsh. At this point their logic is always in their eyes unassailable as he is not a migrant nor an illegal migrant and his actions reflect not one ilk on either group. you saw what I wrote yesterday how many of them dont understand that national identity is a mindset. no one knows wether he saw himself as welsh , or something else. We also dont know why he chopped these wee lassies , but if I were to make assumptions on his motives as liberals have about his national identity they would jump down my throat. As you say it's the hypocrisy and diversions that is laughable. just read this counter story this morning in the guardian. 7 year old migrant girl has died in a dinghy , so thats the balance to these wee lassies and we all have to shut up now. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/uk-stop-the-boats-policy-raising-risk-of-deadly-crushes-on-dinghies-ngos-say#:~:text=Refugees%20are%20being%20crammed%20into,“stop%20the%20boats”%20policy. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 5, 2024 7:53:26 GMT
So just to clarify you're saying that Labour are not to blame for any of this? re read my posts in the thread , and when you understand what has been written , come back to me and lets try debate , instead of inventions of things I never said. Why not just clarify, are you blaming Labour for this or not? |
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