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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 20:01:00 GMT
You got links to peer-reveiwed data to support that claim? No, of course you haven't. All The Best Well under the aegeis of combatting racism that is exactly what this BBC report says www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40495539"Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar." Now whether it is racism as this report suggests, but then most reports suggest that, or whether it is just the way it is is immaterial. What it boils down to is it is real in the here and now and it is both idiotic and not in the public interest to import people with these noted susceptibilities to such a significant greater extent where we currently have a crisis in the treatment of. Does it mention anything about crime? You made two claims, this link supports just one of them. Willing to bet though, that is Eche Egbuonu was white and called Tarquin Fitzwilliam he'd have been sent to a medical unit, not a police station. Of course this is all part of he legacy of Thatcher's "lack of care in the community" program. All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2024 20:03:38 GMT
I can remember 'flying thugs' hurling stones at people trying to go to work to meet their families needs. They also had skin in the fight and were being intimidated, threatened and attacked for going their own way. 100% justified is of course opinion. If Thatcher had hung on a few years then the likes of JSO would have done her work for her and glued themselves to the mineshafts. I am not sure how that would have worked out though? Not condoning the attacks on those trying to go to work; the choice to withhold one's labour MUST be a personal choice. That said the "flying pickets" were still Miners - so had skin in the game. All The Best Does 'having skin in the game' mean one can violently attack those who disagree with you? That seems to be what you are suggesting.
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2024 20:04:50 GMT
Well under the aegeis of combatting racism that is exactly what this BBC report says www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40495539"Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar." Now whether it is racism as this report suggests, but then most reports suggest that, or whether it is just the way it is is immaterial. What it boils down to is it is real in the here and now and it is both idiotic and not in the public interest to import people with these noted susceptibilities to such a significant greater extent where we currently have a crisis in the treatment of. Does it mention anything about crime? You made two claims, this link supports just one of them. All The Best Is there a link between mental health and crime? EDIT If it helps one can look at the prison population as regards proportionality and black ethnic groups are way over represented.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 20:05:43 GMT
Not condoning the attacks on those trying to go to work; the choice to withhold one's labour MUST be a personal choice. That said the "flying pickets" were still Miners - so had skin in the game. All The Best Does 'having skin in the game' mean one can violently attack those who disagree with you? That seems to be what you are suggesting. That is not what I am suggesting at all. In fact my opening statement says " Not condoning the attacks on those trying to go to work" which is the exact opposite of what you think I am suggesting. All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 20:06:27 GMT
Does it mention anything about crime? You made two claims, this link supports just one of them. All The Best Is there a link between mental health and crime? You made the claim, surely you checked any such link before making an unsubstantiated claim? All The Best
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2024 20:09:51 GMT
Does 'having skin in the game' mean one can violently attack those who disagree with you? That seems to be what you are suggesting. That is not what I am suggesting at all. In fact my opening statement says " Not condoning the attacks on those trying to go to work" which is the exact opposite of what you think I am suggesting. All The Best Then I am at a loss by what you mean 'skin in the game'.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 20:10:34 GMT
Does it mention anything about crime? You made two claims, this link supports just one of them. All The Best Is there a link between mental health and crime? EDIT If it helps one can look at the prison population as regards proportionality and black ethnic groups are way over represented. Two seconds of googling The relationship between mental health and crime is complex and has many societal implications. Research suggests that mental illness does not independently predict criminal behavior, and that most people with mental illness are not violent. However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior. Other factors that may contribute to violence in people with mental illness include: Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia. www.google.com/gasearch?q=link%20between%20mental%20health%20and%20crime&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2024 20:12:21 GMT
Is there a link between mental health and crime? You made the claim, surely you checked any such link before making an unsubstantiated claim? All The Best I edited but I was asking you to consider that there is a link between mental health and crime, it is tenuous, erratic but it is arguably existant. What is clear is the prison stats which are easily found if you can be bothered.
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 20:35:31 GMT
That is not what I am suggesting at all. In fact my opening statement says " Not condoning the attacks on those trying to go to work" which is the exact opposite of what you think I am suggesting. All The Best Then I am at a loss by what you mean 'skin in the game'. Miners attending a National Union of Mineworkers strike picket. EDL who have no connection to the children killed in Southport rocking up to commit racial hatred. All Miners were directly affected by the Pit Closure program; thus they have "skin in the game". The EDL were in no way directly affected by the Southport tragedy; thus they do not have skin in the game. You don't see that these are fundamentally different things? All The Best
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 20:42:59 GMT
Is there a link between mental health and crime? EDIT If it helps one can look at the prison population as regards proportionality and black ethnic groups are way over represented. Two seconds of googling The relationship between mental health and crime is complex and has many societal implications. Research suggests that mental illness does not independently predict criminal behavior, and that most people with mental illness are not violent. However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior. Other factors that may contribute to violence in people with mental illness include: Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia. www.google.com/gasearch?q=link%20between%20mental%20health%20and%20crime&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5So you first result there is based on the American experience of such. America has a vastly different Healthcare Structure, a vastly different Prison Structure, and had endemic level of racial bias in the latter. I am not totally discounting the link, but feel its relevance to the UK system is tenuous at best. The University of Huddersfield paper suggests there is no clear link between Mental Health and Criminal Activity, except the one that stems from the "selection bias" of only examining cases from Prison Populations and Mental Health Populations. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 20:54:00 GMT
Two seconds of googling The relationship between mental health and crime is complex and has many societal implications. Research suggests that mental illness does not independently predict criminal behavior, and that most people with mental illness are not violent. However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior. Other factors that may contribute to violence in people with mental illness include: Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia. www.google.com/gasearch?q=link%20between%20mental%20health%20and%20crime&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5So you first result there is based on the American experience of such. America has a vastly different Healthcare Structure, a vastly different Prison Structure, and had endemic level of racial bias in the latter. I am not totally discounting the link, but feel its relevance to the UK system is tenuous at best. The University of Huddersfield paper suggests there is no clear link between Mental Health and Criminal Activity, except the one that stems from the "selection bias" of only examining cases from Prison Populations and Mental Health Populations. All The Best Your demand for ‘ prison structure ‘ is bullshit and not needed . You just need two brain cells . Link “ Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar."“ Link “However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior” Link “Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia.” It doesn’t take Miss Marple to realise that people who are 17 times more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness that make them more likely to commit violence has a higher chance to commit violence . Im not sure that you know this but violence is illegal in this country .
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 1, 2024 21:01:21 GMT
So you first result there is based on the American experience of such. America has a vastly different Healthcare Structure, a vastly different Prison Structure, and had endemic level of racial bias in the latter. I am not totally discounting the link, but feel its relevance to the UK system is tenuous at best. The University of Huddersfield paper suggests there is no clear link between Mental Health and Criminal Activity, except the one that stems from the "selection bias" of only examining cases from Prison Populations and Mental Health Populations. All The Best Your demand for ‘ prison structure ‘ is bullshit and not needed . You just need two brain cells . Link “ Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar."“ Link “However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior” Link “Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia.” It doesn’t take Miss Marple to realise that people who are 17 times more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness that make them more likely to commit violence has a higher chance to commit violence . Im not sure that you know this but violence is illegal in this country . Ermm, I made no demand? I posited an opinion. All The Best
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 21:05:10 GMT
Your demand for ‘ prison structure ‘ is bullshit and not needed . You just need two brain cells . Link “ Statistics suggest a black man in the UK is 17 times more likely than a white man to be diagnosed with a serious mental health condition such as schizophrenia or bipolar."“ Link “However, some research suggests that people with serious mental illness may be more likely to commit violence than the general public. For example, psychotic illnesses like schizophrenia can sometimes be associated with violent behavior” Link “Certain psychiatric conditions do increase a person's risk of committing a crime. Research suggests that patients with mental illness may be more prone to violence if they do not receive adequate treatment,[8] are actively experiencing delusions, or have long-standing paranoia.” It doesn’t take Miss Marple to realise that people who are 17 times more likely to be diagnosed with a mental illness that make them more likely to commit violence has a higher chance to commit violence . Im not sure that you know this but violence is illegal in this country . Ermm, I made no demand? I posited an opinion. All The Best My apologies. Kindly disregard the bold type and start again from “ You just need two brain cells “.
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 2, 2024 6:37:42 GMT
Did I say that ? Your reply has nothing to do with the post you replied to . It’s more of a diversion from your brainless comment from you . The idea that one horrific crime committed by one person who's parents come from a different culture means that the presence of other cultures in our society is a failure is illogical. Indigenous Brits have committed horrific crimes including killing children, does that constitute a failure of British culture? yet the corruption common in African countries is welcome in the Welsh Assembly when perpetrated by a person who identifies as a victim of racial prejudice from that continent.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 2, 2024 7:54:00 GMT
The idea that one horrific crime committed by one person who's parents come from a different culture means that the presence of other cultures in our society is a failure is illogical. Indigenous Brits have committed horrific crimes including killing children, does that constitute a failure of British culture? yet the corruption common in African countries is welcome in the Welsh Assembly when perpetrated by a person who identifies as a victim of racial prejudice from that continent. And there's no corruption in Westminster?
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