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Post by ratcliff on Aug 3, 2024 11:11:04 GMT
Who did you confirm that from? ... link please
It was on the BBC News at One. Mentioned twice. Has that been confirmed by independent sources or is it just the non independent BBC report? |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2024 11:14:12 GMT
It was well reported at the time that they Police and Home Office were keen to manage the flow of information so as not to inflame tensions - that ended up biting them in the arse. Publishing facts is what stops speculation - not hoping for the best. Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best If trying to hide his identity was going to inevitably lead to further violence I would hope that all known details are released. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 3, 2024 11:15:17 GMT
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 3, 2024 11:22:36 GMT
Which of course is the point that the news is being manipulated to counter false accusations with limited known information. On the face of it I agree but then information then becomes a tool of the state to disseminate, as seen fit, to the populace to keep order. Was there a lot of violent disorder and thuggery before the release of the born in Wales info? I do not recall that, that seems to have been released to allay any fears as opposed to counter any rumours. The rumours seem to have started much later with the lack of information and the ubiquitous 'not believed to be terror related'. The rumours began instantly, they did not start "much later on", the attrocious and highly disrespectfull behaviour of the far right happened the day after the murders of the three girls in Southport. The Judge in the preliminary hearing took the unusual, or unprecedented step to release details about the culprit, who would in normal circumstance NOT have had his name released, as per what the law sets out. The police CANNOT release the name of any criminal suspect who is a minor (under 18) unless a Court allows them to, there was never any cover-up, except in the minds of the the propogandists. The name would have had to have been released anyway this week on his 18th birthday The judge released it a week early - that's all |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 3, 2024 11:28:22 GMT
No ''known'' links Doesn't mean no links I think there should be a current photo too , the court artist pics look nothing like the photos of the 11/12 year old the press currently have |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 3, 2024 15:53:20 GMT
Which of course is the point that the news is being manipulated to counter false accusations with limited known information. On the face of it I agree but then information then becomes a tool of the state to disseminate, as seen fit, to the populace to keep order. Was there a lot of violent disorder and thuggery before the release of the born in Wales info? I do not recall that, that seems to have been released to allay any fears as opposed to counter any rumours. The rumours seem to have started much later with the lack of information and the ubiquitous 'not believed to be terror related'. The rumours began instantly, they did not start "much later on", the attrocious and highly disrespectfull behaviour of the far right happened the day after the murders of the three girls in Southport. The Judge in the preliminary hearing took the unusual, or unprecedented step to release details about the culprit, who would in normal circumstance NOT have had his name released, as per what the law sets out. The police CANNOT release the name of any criminal suspect who is a minor (under 18) unless a Court allows them to, there was never any cover-up, except in the minds of the the propogandists. Did the rumours begin instantly? I am not aware of any reports other than what the police released during the afternoon and early evening. What they did release was contrary to your belief it needed a judge. No name was expected just honest reporting about what had transpired and at one point no information was available other than the youth was 17. Gradually it came out he was from Wales, then Rwandan parents. I have not said a cover up entailed what I have said there were deliberate attempts to misdirect the general public to a specific conclusion. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:42:43 GMT
The ONLY penny that needs to drop is this: "it was reported he was born in Wales, he WAS born in Wales." Why is that so hard for some people to grasp? What penny do think needs to drop? All The Best Like someone who murders three black kids in Rwanda, and the police say the culprit was born in Rwanda, then they show you a picture of John Jones who's as white as snow ...the Rwanda people will twig on he's not from 'Rwanda' FFS. So this hypothetical person WAS ACTUALLY born in Rwanda, but is somehow NOT FROM Rwanda? How the fuck does that work? Just read back what you write and realise how fucking stupid it is. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:44:12 GMT
Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best You are making assumptions and of course you can think what you like. Had the perpetrator been white we would know he was a white youth as that info would have been released irrespective of any need to protect identity. I agree I am making assumptions as well of course my assumptions are based on observing what has actually happened over the years. Any evidence to support that theory? As few details as possible are published about Minors so as to protect their identity, as REQUIRED by Law. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:45:49 GMT
The ONLY penny that needs to drop is this: "it was reported he was born in Wales, he WAS born in Wales." Why is that so hard for some people to grasp? What penny do think needs to drop? All The Best I don't care if he was born in Wales or not, his natural heritage is Rwanda, it doesn't matter how many times you tell us he's from Wales .... he isn't. So someone actually born in Wales is not actually "from Wales"? Simply because of the colour of their skin? All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:46:57 GMT
I don't care if he was born in Wales or not, his natural heritage is Rwanda, it doesn't matter how many times you tell us he's from Wales .... he isn't. So you claim that only white people can be British, but then cry when other people accuse you of racism. Truth is you don't hide it very well.Doesn't even hide it at all. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:48:27 GMT
Question: had the perpetrator been white would you, or anyone else in this thread, cared that the law wanted to protect his identity? I don't think you would. All The Best If trying to hide his identity was going to inevitably lead to further violence I would hope that all known details are released. Even if doing so was illegal pending guidance from a Court? You are suggesting the police should break the law to prevent far-right thugs who are going to break the law anyway from targeting the wrong person? That is effectively handing the country over to the fascists. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:50:13 GMT
No ''known'' links Doesn't mean no links I think there should be a current photo too , the court artist pics look nothing like the photos of the 11/12 year old the press currently have I assume you have no "known" links to paedophile rings. Should it still be OK for thugs to target you "just in case"? All The Best |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 3, 2024 19:58:04 GMT
yet the corruption common in African countries is welcome in the Welsh Assembly when perpetrated by a person who identifies as a victim of racial prejudice from that continent. And there's no corruption in Westminster? I suppose there must be. But how many have lost a confidence vote and stayed in post How many have openly demanded a bribe to stay a member of the party on whose ticket they were elected? And then taken it when it was offered by another party leader When it was alleged that Neil Hamilton took money to ask questions he was thrown out of the Tory party and nobody other than Hamilton standing as an independent stood against Martin bell.... |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:01:32 GMT
No ''known'' links Doesn't mean no links I think there should be a current photo too , the court artist pics look nothing like the photos of the 11/12 year old the press currently have I assume you have no "known" links to paedophile rings. Should it still be OK for thugs to target you "just in case"? All The Best Not necessarily ok but possibly they would if you stabbed 3 kids to death in front of their families . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 3, 2024 20:03:06 GMT
Then I am at a loss by what you mean 'skin in the game'. attending a National Union of Mineworkers strike picket. EDL who have no connection to the children killed in Southport rocking up to commit racial hatred. All Miners were directly affected by the Pit Closure program; thus they have "skin in the game". The EDL were in no way directly affected by the Southport tragedy; thus they do not have skin in the game. You don't see that these are fundamentally different things? All The Best I'm not convinced We have already seen that blacks can commit all sorts of offences of civil disorder on the grounds they consider themselves victims of racially motivated treatment, and courts agree and dismiss charges on the basis they are black and therefore cannot be guilty of the crime of which they are charged Seems to me any white man or woman has white skin in THAT game |
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