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Post by borchester on Jul 31, 2024 18:53:09 GMT
on the wealthiest to invest in the NHS and public services?
My automatic response to such a question would be like fuck I would.
The NHS is a bottomless pit of financial incompetence and Guardian inspired entitlement and unless the money is going to be invested in student nurses in black stockings, the country should fall back on bed rest, aspirins, brandy and self pity
Still, other folk might think differently, so what is your take on the matter ?
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 19:08:22 GMT
The NHS is like road maintenance. It’s shit and done badly but you are really grateful when it’s done .
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 31, 2024 19:36:15 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation.
If the Tories had kept NHS funding up to date, instead of increasing funding by barely the cost of inflation, but then taking away Billions from the NHS budget ( hidden in the small print ), to fund Social Care, then we would not have the mess that the service is now in.
Failure to fund the NHS properly will mean that one day YOUR loved ones will die because an ambulance didn't turn up, or because you waited too long in A&E, or because there weren't enough staff, or not enough beds, or that a doctor made a mistake because he or she had not had any sleep due to understaffing.
Your choice
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Post by Bentley on Jul 31, 2024 19:57:16 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation. If the Tories had kept NHS funding up to date, instead of increasing funding by barely the cost of inflation, but then taking away Billions from the NHS budget ( hidden in the small print ), to fund Social Care, then we would not have the mess that the service is now in. Failure to fund the NHS properly will mean that one day YOUR loved ones will die because an ambulance didn't turn up, or because you waited too long in A&E, or because there weren't enough staff, or not enough beds, or that a doctor made a mistake because he or she had not had any sleep due to understaffing. Your choice I don’t believe that the only way to address the problems of the NHS is to throw money at it . Its part of the answer but not all of it. We need to accept that the NHS has finite resources and limitations . We need to decide what kin£ of service we want and if we can afford it . Until then we will get people like you insisting that the money pit that is the NHS only needs more money for it to work as you tell us it will. It won’t . |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 31, 2024 23:51:46 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation. If the Tories had kept NHS funding up to date, instead of increasing funding by barely the cost of inflation, but then taking away Billions from the NHS budget ( hidden in the small print ), to fund Social Care, then we would not have the mess that the service is now in. Failure to fund the NHS properly will mean that one day YOUR loved ones will die because an ambulance didn't turn up, or because you waited too long in A&E, or because there weren't enough staff, or not enough beds, or that a doctor made a mistake because he or she had not had any sleep due to understaffing. Your choice Problems in the NHS have nothing to do with money It's rolling in it Problems have everything to do with ultra incompetent management of staff ,resources and the jack of all trades approach to healthcare - it should not be entertaining those who think they want to change sex so want bits cut off/stuck on, those who want bigger/smaller boobs/ears pinned back or the like. All of these should be privately paying for treatment . |
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Post by johnofgwent on Aug 1, 2024 4:58:49 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation. If the Tories had kept NHS funding up to date, instead of increasing funding by barely the cost of inflation, but then taking away Billions from the NHS budget ( hidden in the small print ), to fund Social Care, then we would not have the mess that the service is now in. Failure to fund the NHS properly will mean that one day YOUR loved ones will die because an ambulance didn't turn up, or because you waited too long in A&E, or because there weren't enough staff, or not enough beds, or that a doctor made a mistake because he or she had not had any sleep due to understaffing. Your choice Is it a lack of money that caused the south wales nhs trust to fail to notice their eye surgeons had fucked off back to the african jungle they crawled out of No It was the total fucking incompetence of the man at the top of the tree, more interested in his rakeoff from the kickbacks from the company given the contract to rip the staff and visitors off as they tried to find parking space. No one was operated on for over a year. Glaucoma patients went blind. Nobody bothered. Nobody cared. Fuck me this is the sort of problem you see in the adverts for some corrupt black african banana republic’s charity funded ‘save the kids eyesight’ medical volunteers clamouring for £2 a month in between the save a donkey and free a caged bear advert on some low budget freesat channel and it’s happenning IN WALES UNDER LABOUR Its WHY i went blind for a year and a half snd NO ONE CARED Go snd fucking educate yourself on what tbe REAL problem is in tbe fucking NHS. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 1, 2024 5:02:24 GMT
on the wealthiest to invest in the NHS and public services? My automatic response to such a question would be like fuck I would. The NHS is a bottomless pit of financial incompetence and Guardian inspired entitlement and unless the money is going to be invested in student nurses in black stockings, the country should fall back on bed rest, aspirins, brandy and self pity Still, other folk might think differently, so what is your take on the matter ? Nope. I work in the public sector and I'm against throwing money at it because it never goes to front line services. Additional funding ends up in increased layers of bureaucracy and pet projects with no benefit to the end user. |
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Post by Dogburger on Aug 1, 2024 7:36:24 GMT
on the wealthiest to invest in the NHS and public services? My automatic response to such a question would be like fuck I would. The NHS is a bottomless pit of financial incompetence and Guardian inspired entitlement and unless the money is going to be invested in student nurses in black stockings, the country should fall back on bed rest, aspirins, brandy and self pity Still, other folk might think differently, so what is your take on the matter ? Nope. I work in the public sector and I'm against throwing money at it because it never goes to front line services. Additional funding ends up in increased layers of bureaucracy and pet projects with no benefit to the end user. My thoughts exactly , Public services need better management not more cash . I would be happy to pay more tax if there was a visible improvement but there won't be so I'm not . And Borky , student nurses in black stockings don't cost any more than student nurses without them .It should be made compulsory , it won't improve our health but at least we will die with a smile on our faces |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 1, 2024 8:13:25 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation. If the Tories had kept NHS funding up to date, instead of increasing funding by barely the cost of inflation, but then taking away Billions from the NHS budget ( hidden in the small print ), to fund Social Care, then we would not have the mess that the service is now in. Failure to fund the NHS properly will mean that one day YOUR loved ones will die because an ambulance didn't turn up, or because you waited too long in A&E, or because there weren't enough staff, or not enough beds, or that a doctor made a mistake because he or she had not had any sleep due to understaffing. Your choice Most of us made a choice many times over the last numerous decades, control immigration. That choice was put to us by government after government and we chose but still they ignored us. Our 'choices' are just cast to the wind as either incompetence or political expediency takes control. With an extra 10 million + people in 30 years, mainly from countries with poor health care regimes this will place a strain on the NHS that it was not designed for nor with which it can cope. |
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Post by Vinny on Aug 1, 2024 8:24:20 GMT
But the problems in the NHS are a result of NOT funding the NHS in line with rising costs / normal inflation. Not entirely, some problems in the NHS are as a result of having too much middle management. Too many overpaid (usually white) far left equality and diversity guys interfering in HR policy. A legacy of Blair. The politicians overseeing the NHS should just let doctors and nurses run it themselves and hire people based on their CVs. Cut middle management. Another thing. I don't hate trans people, but if they want surgery they should pay themselves. Its not a matter for taxpayers. |
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Post by witchfinder on Aug 1, 2024 10:47:22 GMT
THe NHS is more efficient than any of its comparable private sector, proven by studies carried out on behalf of The Kings Fund involving Cattaract procedures, the most common medical procedure carried out. The study was based on numbers done, the estimated costs, and time taken + number of staff involved.
Other studies carried out by The Kings Fund found that there are LESS management per number of overall employees than comparable private sector.
As the husband of a senior hospital consultant, and member of a Royal College, I know that my wife could not possibly do her job without backroom staff, in particular her secretary who organises appointments, meetings and even routes between hospitals, clinics and home.
No organisation can function without clerical, administrative and management who take both work and pressure away from front line staff.
Its a nonsense that there are too many administrative workers in our NHS
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Post by Bentley on Aug 1, 2024 11:01:52 GMT
THe NHS is more efficient than any of its comparable private sector, proven by studies carried out on behalf of The Kings Fund involving Cattaract procedures, the most common medical procedure carried out. The study was based on numbers done, the estimated costs, and time taken + number of staff involved. Other studies carried out by The Kings Fund found that there are LESS management per number of overall employees than comparable private sector. As the husband of a senior hospital consultant, and member of a Royal College, I know that my wife could not possibly do her job without backroom staff, in particular her secretary who organises appointments, meetings and even routes between hospitals, clinics and home. No organisation can function without clerical, administrative and management who take both work and pressure away from front line staff. Its a nonsense that there are too many administrative workers in our NHS The kings fund seems to work hand in hand with the NHS . I doubt that their ‘ studies’ would say anything else . They picked cararacts did they ? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Aug 1, 2024 11:03:04 GMT
THe NHS is more efficient than any of its comparable private sector, proven by studies carried out on behalf of The Kings Fund involving Cattaract procedures, the most common medical procedure carried out. The study was based on numbers done, the estimated costs, and time taken + number of staff involved. Other studies carried out by The Kings Fund found that there are LESS management per number of overall employees than comparable private sector. As the husband of a senior hospital consultant, and member of a Royal College, I know that my wife could not possibly do her job without backroom staff, in particular her secretary who organises appointments, meetings and even routes between hospitals, clinics and home. No organisation can function without clerical, administrative and management who take both work and pressure away from front line staff. Its a nonsense that there are too many administrative workers in our NHS 🤣 |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 1, 2024 11:06:54 GMT
THe NHS is more efficient than any of its comparable private sector, proven by studies carried out on behalf of The Kings Fund involving Cattaract procedures, the most common medical procedure carried out. The study was based on numbers done, the estimated costs, and time taken + number of staff involved. Other studies carried out by The Kings Fund found that there are LESS management per number of overall employees than comparable private sector. As the husband of a senior hospital consultant, and member of a Royal College, I know that my wife could not possibly do her job without backroom staff, in particular her secretary who organises appointments, meetings and even routes between hospitals, clinics and home. No organisation can function without clerical, administrative and management who take both work and pressure away from front line staff. Its a nonsense that there are too many administrative workers in our NHS The kings fund seems to work hand in hand with the NHS . I doubt that their ‘ studies’ would say anything else . They picked cararacts did they ? I met a couple of members of the King's Fund whilst on holiday a couple of years ago - both were ex NHS senior administrators and both were raving lefties |
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Post by ratcliff on Aug 1, 2024 11:08:05 GMT
THe NHS is more efficient than any of its comparable private sector, proven by studies carried out on behalf of The Kings Fund involving Cattaract procedures, the most common medical procedure carried out. The study was based on numbers done, the estimated costs, and time taken + number of staff involved. Other studies carried out by The Kings Fund found that there are LESS management per number of overall employees than comparable private sector. As the husband of a senior hospital consultant, and member of a Royal College, I know that my wife could not possibly do her job without backroom staff, in particular her secretary who organises appointments, meetings and even routes between hospitals, clinics and home. No organisation can function without clerical, administrative and management who take both work and pressure away from front line staff. Its a nonsense that there are too many administrative workers in our NHS Did you type this lefty tripe with a straight face? |
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