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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:28:15 GMT
Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. Now, I am not a huge believer is institutional racism. But if ever a term was institutionally racist surely it is "second generation immigrant" because it is actually describing someone who is Native Born. I get that it is a term that has been used for a long time, but it is not even accurate. All The Best I’m sorry for exposing you to reality . Second generation immigrant describes second generation immigrant well and the phrase is correct. The fact that it gets you all upset doesn’t change that . |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 20:29:35 GMT
As well as being an immigrant my father was also a carpet fitter. I've never fitted a carpet in my life but by Bentley's logic I suppose I'm a second generation carpet fitter. I must remember to add that to my LinkedIn profile. Thrre you go pulling stuff from your arse again. Comparing jobs with country of origins and pretending that I claimed something that was untrue . Add that to your file . Well, surely where a person's parents were born is as arbitrary as what their parents' jobs were? The person in question has no control, nor say in either. All The Best |
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Post by wapentake on Aug 3, 2024 20:30:15 GMT
You really do have a problem with any logical thought. The Lucy Letby case was an employee at a hospital behaving badly with some questions to be answered by the specific health trust. The Southport case was a member of a migrant family allowed to come to this country for their safety who responded to that allowance for refuge by trying to kill as many of the young daughters of his hosts as he could. That refuge status is still being dispensed at very high numbers to many other people of unknown but suspect stability and they are being distributed forcefully into local communities and constitute a serious risk to the safety of any community within which they reside. Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and you describe that as "behaving badly"? You then seem to go on to suggest that a child being murdered by the offspring of foreigners is somehow worse. Are you seriously telling me you would look the parents of Letby's victims in the eye and tell them to take some comfort in the fact that their children were murdered by an indegenous Brit? If so, you need help. Lucy Letby was indeed convicted of multiple murders solely on circumstantial evidence which worries myself and many others. The person charged regards the murders in Southport is guilty of nothing yet it usually involves a trial first which is yet to happen. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 20:32:59 GMT
Now, I am not a huge believer is institutional racism. But if ever a term was institutionally racist surely it is "second generation immigrant" because it is actually describing someone who is Native Born. I get that it is a term that has been used for a long time, but it is not even accurate. All The Best I’m sorry for exposing you to reality . Second generation immigrant describes second generation immigrant well and the phrase is correct. The fact that it gets you all upset doesn’t change that . I am not upset by it. I am baffled by it insofar as it is inaccurate; and inaccuracies in the field of social policy can be both very dangerous, and ultimately very costly. I am not offended by the term, though I am empathetic enough to understand why some people might be. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:34:24 GMT
Thrre you go pulling stuff from your arse again. Comparing jobs with country of origins and pretending that I claimed something that was untrue . Add that to your file . Well, surely where a person's parents were born is as arbitrary as what their parents' jobs were? The person in question has no control, nor say in either. All The Best Well we could dance around this bollocks for a while but the fact is that the murderer was a second generation immigrant. Don’t shoot the messenger. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:38:13 GMT
I’m sorry for exposing you to reality . Second generation immigrant describes second generation immigrant well and the phrase is correct. The fact that it gets you all upset doesn’t change that . I am not upset by it. I am baffled by it insofar as it is inaccurate; and inaccuracies in the field of social policy can be both very dangerous, and ultimately very costly. I am not offended by the term, though I am empathetic enough to understand why some people might be. All The Best It’s perfectly accurate . He was a second generation to a first generation immigrant . As I ( tried to) explain to HH , some second generation immigrants are proud of being so. Some feel a connection to the country of their parents origins and culture . If some people are offended by this then I suggest that they should get out more . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:47:59 GMT
Yeah but as PV said it doesn't make any sense, we didn't emigrate anywhere. Why not . A person born of immigrants being described as second generation immigrant makes perfect sense . We know that there are lots of British nationals born of Nigerian or Jamaican parents . These often declare a closeness to the county of their parents. It merely reflects the country of origin of ( at least one of ) the parents . I would happily be considered a third generation Scot if Scotland became independent but then again I’m not a whiner . Because they aren't immigrants. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:48:51 GMT
Thrre you go pulling stuff from your arse again. Comparing jobs with country of origins and pretending that I claimed something that was untrue . Add that to your file . Well, surely where a person's parents were born is as arbitrary as what their parents' jobs were? The person in question has no control, nor say in either. All The Best Exactly. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:50:01 GMT
Why not . A person born of immigrants being described as second generation immigrant makes perfect sense . We know that there are lots of British nationals born of Nigerian or Jamaican parents . These often declare a closeness to the county of their parents. It merely reflects the country of origin of ( at least one of ) the parents . I would happily be considered a third generation Scot if Scotland became independent but then again I’m not a whiner . Because they aren't immigrants. Indeed . They are second generation immigrants . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:52:28 GMT
Because they aren't immigrants. Indeed . They are second generation immigrants . Where did they emigrate to? |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:52:45 GMT
Well, surely where a person's parents were born is as arbitrary as what their parents' jobs were? The person in question has no control, nor say in either. All The Best Exactly. If you can’t see the difference between the your parents origin and your dads job then you are just thick. A clue is that one of them denotes your parent country of origin and the other doesn’t . |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:53:59 GMT
If you can’t see the difference between the your parents origin and your dads job then you are just thick. A clue is that one of them denotes your parent country of origin and the other doesn’t . Yes but in both cases it's saying that I'm something I'm not because one of my parents was. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:54:53 GMT
Indeed . They are second generation immigrants . Where did they emigrate to? They didn’t . They are second generation immigrants. Here Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. Read that instead of whining at me . |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:55:42 GMT
If you can’t see the difference between the your parents origin and your dads job then you are just thick. A clue is that one of them denotes your parent country of origin and the other doesn’t . Yes but in both cases it's saying that I'm something I'm not because one of my parents was. Ok . Just dry your eyes and suck it up . Don’t whine at me . |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 21:04:05 GMT
As an aside , there are second and third generation policeman, military and bakers etc . So yes it does apply to jobs .
In fact it’s built into our culture. There was a comic strip called “ Young sid the coppers kid” and “ Pansy potter the strong man’s daughter “.
There’re are plenty of known second and third generation artists and business people.
So yes it does apply…
However we were talking about second generation immigrants . I can’t help that .
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