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Post by Pacifico on Aug 3, 2024 16:52:06 GMT
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 17:40:42 GMT
That's not what I said. If they were rioting about murdered children why weren't they rioting over the babies killed in the Lucy Letby case? You really do have a problem with any logical thought. The Lucy Letby case was an employee at a hospital behaving badly with some questions to be answered by the specific health trust. The Southport case was a member of a migrant family allowed to come to this country for their safety who responded to that allowance for refuge by trying to kill as many of the young daughters of his hosts as he could. That refuge status is still being dispensed at very high numbers to many other people of unknown but suspect stability and they are being distributed forcefully into local communities and constitute a serious risk to the safety of any community within which they reside. Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and you describe that as "behaving badly"? You then seem to go on to suggest that a child being murdered by the offspring of foreigners is somehow worse. Are you seriously telling me you would look the parents of Letby's victims in the eye and tell them to take some comfort in the fact that their children were murdered by an indegenous Brit? If so, you need help. |
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Post by sandypine on Aug 3, 2024 19:16:18 GMT
You really do have a problem with any logical thought. The Lucy Letby case was an employee at a hospital behaving badly with some questions to be answered by the specific health trust. The Southport case was a member of a migrant family allowed to come to this country for their safety who responded to that allowance for refuge by trying to kill as many of the young daughters of his hosts as he could. That refuge status is still being dispensed at very high numbers to many other people of unknown but suspect stability and they are being distributed forcefully into local communities and constitute a serious risk to the safety of any community within which they reside. Lucy Letby was convicted of murdering seven babies and you describe that as "behaving badly"? You then seem to go on to suggest that a child being murdered by the offspring of foreigners is somehow worse. Are you seriously telling me you would look the parents of Letby's victims in the eye and tell them to take some comfort in the fact that their children were murdered by an indegenous Brit? If so, you need help. It is all to do with risk, we know we cannot assess all risk accurately but we can assess general risk with a degree of confidence. The chance of having a baby murdered by a rogue nurse are there for everyone but we cannot assess the risk that each nurse poses individually. We can however point to first generation immigrants, current immigrants and illegal immigrants and we can apportion a level of risk individually to them that is greater than if the were 'native Brits' to coin a phrase. That risk is increasing dramatically due to the channel crossings being uncontrolled and the net migration being in the hundreds of thousands. The crime itself is not worse, the risks placed upon the potential victims by government are increased with every passing day and they are not doing anything to mitigate those increased risks. Approximately 1 million newcomers within the past 18 months largely from socially disparate and unsettled countries and with each individual being at least ten times more likely to develop, or already have, a mental illness than white Brits is asking too much of people most especially seeing as what can, and has, happened. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 19:51:50 GMT
They “ used their anger’ about dangerous ethnic minorities allowed into the UK and the consequences thereof.( I’m not supporting them , don’t shoot the messenger). Rioting about employing dangerous indigenous nurses isnt a comparison . File it in the lefties idiot comment for other idiots to pass around cabinet. Except he wasn't allowed into the UK, he was BORN here. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 19:55:27 GMT
They “ used their anger’ about dangerous ethnic minorities allowed into the UK and the consequences thereof.( I’m not supporting them , don’t shoot the messenger). Rioting about employing dangerous indigenous nurses isnt a comparison . File it in the lefties idiot comment for other idiots to pass around cabinet. Except he wasn't allowed into the UK, he was BORN here. All The Best Yes he was a second generation immigrant. Did you read the bit about ‘ I’m not supporting them”. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 20:05:26 GMT
We can however point to first generation immigrants, current immigrants and illegal immigrants and we can apportion a level of risk individually to them that is greater than if the were 'native Brits' to coin a phrase. I'd just like to point out that due to risk the to public and following the commission of heinous criminal acts 1 offspring of an immigrant has been arrested in relation to the horrific events in Southport. For posing a risk to the public, and committing heinous criminal acts: 7 People were arrested in Southport. 100 arrested at Downing Street. 2 arrested in Manchester. 8 in Northumbria. So in just 2 minutes it becomes clear that it is NOT the "offspring of an immigrant" who poses the greatest risk to the public at large. It is the "native Brit" knuckle-dragging, thugs. In fact they pose 117 times MORE risk than the former. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 20:07:41 GMT
Except he wasn't allowed into the UK, he was BORN here. All The Best Yes he was a second generation immigrant. Did you read the bit about ‘ I’m not supporting them”. He wasn't a "second generation immigrant" because he DID NOT emigrate here; he was a "first generation native" because he was born here. ONLY his parents were immigrants. Yes, I read that you were not supporting them. All The Best |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:11:04 GMT
Yes he was a second generation immigrant. Did you read the bit about ‘ I’m not supporting them”. He wasn't a "second generation immigrant" because he DID NOT emigrate here; he was a "first generation native" because he was born here. ONLY his parents were immigrants. Yes, I read that you were not supporting them. All The Best Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:13:17 GMT
He wasn't a "second generation immigrant" because he DID NOT emigrate here; he was a "first generation native" because he was born here. ONLY his parents were immigrants. Yes, I read that you were not supporting them. All The Best Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. I'm one of the people you are referring to and I've often heard people like myself described as second generation British, never once second generation immigrant. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:15:55 GMT
Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. I'm one of the people you are referring to and I've often heard people like myself described as second generation British, never once second generation immigrant. You have now. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:16:37 GMT
I'm one of the people you are referring to and I've often heard people like myself described as second generation British, never once second generation immigrant. You have now. Yeah but as PV said it doesn't make any sense, we didn't emigrate anywhere. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Aug 3, 2024 20:18:32 GMT
He wasn't a "second generation immigrant" because he DID NOT emigrate here; he was a "first generation native" because he was born here. ONLY his parents were immigrants. Yes, I read that you were not supporting them. All The Best Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. Now, I am not a huge believer is institutional racism. But if ever a term was institutionally racist surely it is "second generation immigrant" because it is actually describing someone who is Native Born. I get that it is a term that has been used for a long time, but it is not even accurate. All The Best |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Aug 3, 2024 20:20:22 GMT
Wrong ^ Asecond-generation immigrant is a person who was born in a country where at least one of their parents was previously a migrant. The term can also refer to the second generation of a family to live in a country, but the first to be born there native. A person who was born in and is residing in a country that at least one of their parents previously entered as a migrant . The term "second-generation" extends the concept of first-generation by one generation. As such, the term exhibits the same type of ambiguity as "first-generation," as well as additional ones. Like "first-generation immigrant", the term "second-generation" can refer to a member of either: The second generation of a family to inhabit, but the first natively born in, a country, or The second generation born in a country (i.e. "third generation" in the above definition) wiki. Now, I am not a huge believer is institutional racism. But if ever a term was institutionally racist surely it is "second generation immigrant" because it is actually describing someone who is Native Born. I get that it is a term that has been used for a long time, but it is not even accurate. All The Best As well as being an immigrant my father was also a carpet fitter. I've never fitted a carpet in my life but by Bentley's logic I suppose I'm a second generation carpet fitter. I must remember to add that to my LinkedIn profile. |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:23:42 GMT
Yeah but as PV said it doesn't make any sense, we didn't emigrate anywhere. Why not . A person born of immigrants being described as second generation immigrant makes perfect sense . We know that there are lots of British nationals born of Nigerian or Jamaican parents . These often declare a closeness to the county of their parents. It merely reflects the country of origin of ( at least one of ) the parents . I would happily be considered a third generation Scot if Scotland became independent but then again I’m not a whiner . |
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Post by Bentley on Aug 3, 2024 20:25:39 GMT
Now, I am not a huge believer is institutional racism. But if ever a term was institutionally racist surely it is "second generation immigrant" because it is actually describing someone who is Native Born. I get that it is a term that has been used for a long time, but it is not even accurate. All The Best As well as being an immigrant my father was also a carpet fitter. I've never fitted a carpet in my life but by Bentley's logic I suppose I'm a second generation carpet fitter. I must remember to add that to my LinkedIn profile. Thrre you go pulling stuff from your arse again. Comparing jobs with country of origins and pretending that I claimed something that was untrue . Add that to your file . |
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