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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 27, 2024 7:48:22 GMT
It seems to me that the recent reaction (mainly from muslims) to the arrest of some Pakistani men is an attempt to deliberately stir up sectarian feelings in the muslim community - and also to back up calls to defund the police. Yet I see none of our current government is talking this threat seriously. In fact Yvette Cooper and Shabana Mahmood have come out immediately and attacked the police - long before it's clear what actually went on. And the police have suspended an officer and charged him with an offence - yet the men who resisted arrest and attacked 3 police officers, which left all officers requiring hospital treatment, have simply been bailed.
How the incident started doesn't seem clear. A man on their flight seems to have had an altercation with the mother of these Pakistani men (involving claimed racism of course) and the trouble continued after they disembarked. Someone seems to have called the police who followed the men and attempted to arrest them - which they forcefully resisted, injuring all of the 3 police who attempted to arrest them. They called the armed police who moved in and "sorted them out".
Of course the arrest of the Pakistanis by the armed police was filmed and it included some force. No videos of what happened up to this point are available though, but it's obvious that these men were forcefully resisting arrest and got what was coming to them. And now, of course, the muslim community are crying "racism" and calling for the defunding of the police etc etc.
Also the well known "lawyer" Akhmed Yakoob seems to have become the "family's lawyer" and is making all sorts of claims about injustices and other stuff. He claims one of the men has a "cyst on the brain" - but you don't get a cyst on the brain from being hit. The lawyer is demanding that justice is seen to be done. He says that the police tried to "assassinate" the man and that he has been "called by Allah to challenge the Zionist regime".
This is test of the new govt and it seems that they've already failed it. Shabana Mahmood, who is justice secretary, needs to stop this becoming a cause celebre for the militant muslim communities who want to cause trouble and attack the police.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 27, 2024 8:05:48 GMT
It's already kicking off...
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 27, 2024 8:29:52 GMT
steppenwolf
I'm more inclined to think sectarian feelings were stirred up directly once the video of the brutal assault was widely available and shown. I don't think there was, or needed to be, an interim reaction to stir up a further reaction. Neither do I think it was a matter of an arrest that is agitating a particular section of the community. Rather I suspect if was the kicking in the head and stamping on the head of an individual lying prone on the ground that people are loudly demanding answers about.
steppenwolf
A more than reasonable point of view that should chime well with most sections of Society. Of course there will still be a few reactionary voices who have already made their judgement, and concluded that justice was served on the floor of the airport, as 'they got what was coming to them'. I do wonder whether such voices are working harder to stir up sectarian feelings than most Muslims you can point to.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 27, 2024 8:36:48 GMT
steppenwolf I'm more inclined to think sectarian feelings were stirred up directly once the video of the brutal assault was widely available and shown. I don't think there was, or needed to be, an interim reaction to stir up a further reaction. Neither do I think it was a matter of an arrest that is agitating a particular section of the community. Rather I suspect if was the kicking in the head and stamping on the head of an individual lying prone on the ground that people are loudly demanding answers about. steppenwolf A more than reasonable point of view that should chime well with most sections of Society. Of course there will still be a few reactionary voices who have already made their judgement, and concluded that justice was served on the floor of the airport, as 'they got what was coming to them'. I do wonder whether such voices are working harder to stir up sectarian feelings than most Muslims you can point to. Isn’t the point is that the officer has already been found guilty by some,shouldn’t some process occur first? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2024 10:55:11 GMT
It's becoming an antifa lefty fest. Who'd have thought this might happen with a new Labour government. Will they get a grip? Of course not.
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 27, 2024 12:56:09 GMT
wapentake That's all central to the frustration I don't doubt. Those who think the Officer is probably guilty being starkly aware that it matters not what they think, because it will be the 'process' that decides whether he gets what's coming to him or not ..... and they have reservations that the 'process' might prevent that, hence why the Lawyer made his plea for justice to be seen to be done. On the other hand you have those claiming the Pakistani was the guilty party, the 'process' in his case amounted to little more that the Officer deciding upon guilt, then also deciding upon the appropriate punishment to administer (i.e a good kicking and stomping, and admission to hospital with a serious brain injury). Disquiet with the process of fast justice and the severe punishment it dished out, cheered on by one faction, celebrating that the Pakistani has already got what's coming to him , compared to the process of slow injustice, for an employee of the State, half expected by another faction. Clearly not a recipe for peace and harmony, once you've decided to create a Society of diverse communities and asked them to live side by side with each other. Makes you wonder whose had the worst 'Community leaders ' over the past few decades to bring about such situations ?  |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 27, 2024 13:20:51 GMT
Jumping on the BLM bandwagon.
Afaik it was Asians that attacked the coppers before one of them got booted.
Police lives matter.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 27, 2024 14:32:11 GMT
I'm more inclined to think sectarian feelings were stirred up directly once the video of the brutal assault was widely available and shown.. ...Of course there will still be a few reactionary voices who have already made their judgement... The irony. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jul 27, 2024 23:50:17 GMT
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 28, 2024 0:19:01 GMT
The "victim" punched three police officers to the ground, including a women!
They should have blown his brains out and done us all a favour.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 28, 2024 3:30:22 GMT
They should have been shot
Also, Blair's 'anti terrirism' legislation should have been used to arrest the person filming for acti ng in a manner providing aid to terrorism.
I think it would have been fairly trivial to have planted something on the corpses to aid the swift conclusion of the matter
It's what the Israeli's would do after all.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 28, 2024 7:11:02 GMT
steppenwolf I'm more inclined to think sectarian feelings were stirred up directly once the video of the brutal assault was widely available and shown. I don't think there was, or needed to be, an interim reaction to stir up a further reaction. Neither do I think it was a matter of an arrest that is agitating a particular section of the community. Rather I suspect if was the kicking in the head and stamping on the head of an individual lying prone on the ground that people are loudly demanding answers about. steppenwolf A more than reasonable point of view that should chime well with most sections of Society. Of course there will still be a few reactionary voices who have already made their judgement, and concluded that justice was served on the floor of the airport, as 'they got what was coming to them'. I do wonder whether such voices are working harder to stir up sectarian feelings than most Muslims you can point to. Typical liberal lefty rubbish, Hutchyns. My point is that the video evidence that was given to the media shows only the latter stages of the various altercations when the armed police have finally got the upper hand. Even Andy Burnham has admitted that there are two sides to this story and that there's fault on both sides. But the muslims have already prejudged the case and are attacking Rochdale police station etc. The further videos that have emerged show that the fight started when 3 police (1 male and 2 female) confronted two Asians who had already had a violent altercation with a man in an Airport coffee shop. They attempted to arrest them but were immediately aggressively attacked by the men who punched the male officer to the ground and then smashed one of the female officers in the face (breaking her nose) and then beating the other female officer to the ground (rendering her temporarily unconscious apparently). One of the Asians then gets the male officer into a choke hold and tries to throttle him. At this point one of the female officers gets the taser out to help her male colleague and tasers the Asian. Armed police are then called to try and subdue the Asians who are still on their feet. It's a completely different picture to the one that the media (and the BBC portrayed) - that of two innocent Asians being beaten up by police. Three police needed hospital treatment and, given the location (an airport, which is why armed police were available) these two men were lucky that they weren't shot dead. If they'd done this in France they probably would have been - and if they'd done it in Pakistan they would also have been lucky to escape with their lives. But, yet again, the police are the first that the lefty media and our govt criticise. It's no wonder that the police are afraid to arrest muslims and just tend to leave them alone. They can't win. And the new Labour govt is obviously going to make the situation even worse. They're shit scared of the muslims because they rely on their vote. We're already seeing them kow-tow to these bastards. Lammy is restart funding UNWRA - the organisation that took part in the Oct 7 Hamas attacks on Israel - and STarmer has supported the daft ICC decision to declare Netanyahu a war criminal. I await some govt comment on the growing sense of empowerment that the muslims have got. Ms Mahmood must "read the riot act" to the muslims and point out that they have to obey UK law - that they can't resist arrest and attacking police officers is an offence that attracts very heavy penalties. These people should be locked away for a minimum of 10 years. Will it happen? Of course not. So the situation will continue getting worse. |
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Post by Hutchyns on Jul 28, 2024 9:30:54 GMT
steppenwolf
If your point was to tell us what we were almost all aware of already, then fair enough. I suppose it's possible there could be someone who'd seen the initial video, thought it was a guy lying on the floor taking a nap, and someone wanders over kicks him in the face and stomps on his head .... in that case your useful explanation that it was the 'latter stages' would have been a great help.
steppenwolf
Surprised you'd mention Andy Burnham's comment when your own views, up to now, have painted a very different picture. If your current point is that you're now gradually moving to an Andy Burnham position of claiming there's fault on both sides, I look forward to seeing that change of stance being reflected in your future comments.
steppenwolf
Shocking this prejudgement approach isn't it ? I'm sure it's only a Muslim thing, but hypothetically what would you say to someone who had only seen the initial video, yet already was claiming the Pakistani's 'had got what was coming to them', and who has already made up his mind to such an extent that he not only knows where the guilt lies, but has even calculated what the exact minimum prison sentence should be, and furthermore has asserted that this proves that a whole section of society must have 'the riot act read to them' as a result of this, by the Secretary of State for Justice ? I wonder if that wouldn't indicate a teeny weeny bit of prejudgement creeping in ? ...... and indicate someone who in reality approaches the whole thing in a diametrically opposite way to Andy Burnham.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 28, 2024 11:35:43 GMT
Btw, has anyone heard anything about the female police officer who was punched in the face by a Pakistani 'man', a punch that was hard enough to knock her over and break her nose?..
No, me neither. It seems she's been forgotten about. Not to worry, she's white and English so no one cares anyway.
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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 28, 2024 11:45:54 GMT
So, Hutchyns, having seen a bit more of what happened in this case what would your judgement now be? The situation is that the police tried to arrest a couple of Asians who had been accused of affray - some altercation involving their mother who had just arrived on a flight and had accused another passenger of a "racist" remark. So they attacked him.
The police attempted to arrest them in the airport and a massive punch up ensued in which three police (2 female) were beaten up and the airport armed police had to be called in. They managed to subdue them but the level of violence on the part of the muslims was frankly staggering. Have you watched it?
Would any normal person react with this level of violence? Most people would just go along to the police station and explain what happened.
I was watching Peter Cardwell (Talk TV) who's usually quite sensible. But he's also gone over to the side of muslim apologism. He was simultaneously trying to argue that the problem may be that women police are not up to the job (not fit or strong enough) while attacking the male police officer, who finally managed to subdue these animals, of excessive force.
I'd like to see Cardwell trying to subdue a couple of deranged muslims with "minimal force". maybe you'd like to try Hutchyns. They were lucky not to have been shot. In a muslim country, if they'd resisted arrest like this, they would have been taken away (after being severely beaten up) and never heard from again. That's the way it works over there.
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