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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 30, 2024 10:36:33 GMT
It’s only the start . Soon State pensions will be means tested and pensioners who own homes will have the state trying to find ways to snatch equity . At that point we will have a lefty on here posting about their mum not needing too much pension anyway and is quite happy to give away any equity in their house because it’s for a good cause . That looks like a barb aimed at me, so I'll respond. No, I wouldn't agree to SRP being means tested. That's because you have paid in to your NI to qualify for it. The same is not true of Winter Fuel Allowance. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 10:37:24 GMT
DWP estimates 880,000 pensioners who could get pension credit and qualify for WFP do not do so. So they are already below poverty line and now another £500 lower. Thats progress comrade - to the barricades!! So, are you trying to make the claim that because people may not claim that it should be a universal benefit? I don't think you've thought that through. Bureaucrat supports system that needs more bureaucrats to be made to work.. If you think that someones income is too high you can take some away via the tax system. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 10:45:18 GMT
It’s only the start . Soon State pensions will be means tested and pensioners who own homes will have the state trying to find ways to snatch equity . At that point we will have a lefty on here posting about their mum not needing too much pension anyway and is quite happy to give away any equity in their house because it’s for a good cause . That looks like a barb aimed at me, so I'll respond. No, I wouldn't agree to SRP being means tested. That's because you have paid in to your NI to qualify for it. The same is not true of Winter Fuel Allowance. Not just you. There would be a line of lefties behind you saying similar things . You were just the first . If fuel allowance is given to all people on State benefits then paying NI will qualify for it at the point that you receive State pension . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 10:53:43 GMT
It’s only the start . Soon State pensions will be means tested and pensioners who own homes will have the state trying to find ways to snatch equity . At that point we will have a lefty on here posting about their mum not needing too much pension anyway and is quite happy to give away any equity in their house because it’s for a good cause . Yep. Idiots. Since when has any government spent our tax dollars wisely? |
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 30, 2024 12:05:39 GMT
The cutting of fuel payments is nasty and cynical, and follows the age old Labour tactic of clawing money back from non-Labour voters.
Where was this in their manifesto? lol.
Only a complete moron believed their "fully costed" manifesto. It was obvious from day one they would claim the finances are worse that expected (even though they had access to all the department budgets and projections). Half the "black hole" is because they have just rubber stamped the new above inflation civil service and NHS pay deals... so that has nothing to do with the Tories. The other 10b then becomes a rounding error which would get wiped out by growth anyway. I agree with pay deals btw, just don't fucking lie about them!
Would the people who are arguing for "means testing" be happy with means testing the NHS, education etc? God help anybody that doesn't fall into this ideologic driven definition of "working people".
I suggest some of you go and visit the Nordic countries if you want to see what Socialism should look like, where everybody is in it together, not this vindictive crap we have over here!
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 30, 2024 12:19:50 GMT
Labour have confirmed they will give £4 billion in foreign aid, and £11.6 billion to various countries to help them 'combat climate change'. That should make Starmer feel very virtuous on a global stage. Oh yes, Labour will also scrap cold weather payments... in the hope that pensioners freeze to death thereby freeing up housing for illegals from France.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 13:25:57 GMT
Labour have confirmed they will give £4 billion in foreign aid, and £11.6 billion to various countries to help them 'combat climate change'. That should make Starmer feel very virtuous on a global stage. Oh yes, Labour will also scrap cold weather payments... in the hope that pensioners freeze to death thereby freeing up housing for illegals from France. Yep, absolute cunts aren't they. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 13:27:32 GMT
Labour have confirmed they will give £4 billion in foreign aid, and £11.6 billion to various countries to help them 'combat climate change'. That should make Starmer feel very virtuous on a global stage. Oh yes, Labour will also scrap cold weather payments... in the hope that pensioners freeze to death thereby freeing up housing for illegals from France. Yep, absolute cunts aren't they. Yes. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 30, 2024 13:48:50 GMT
Do the civil service also bear responsibility for these overspends? Should they not be highlighting these to the previous government
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 30, 2024 17:25:01 GMT
Has the man no shame?
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 17:47:26 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 30, 2024 18:21:45 GMT
Hardly a surprise, though. The twunt's lied, twisted and u-turned from the outset.
His voters really didn't know what they were voting for.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 22:09:22 GMT
Yup. We all fucking knew it. “ The chancellor has said the government will likely raise some taxes in October's Budget after months of speculation about Labour's stance on tax. "I think we will have to increase taxes in the Budget," Rachel Reeves told the News Agents podcast. She was responding to a question about raising money following her claim on Monday that the previous government left a £22bn "hole" in the public finances. Labour said repeatedly during the election campaign there would be no tax rises on "working people", but the Conservatives had insisted Labour would increase them. On Tuesday, Ms Reeves repeated the Labour manifesto commitment of no VAT, national insurance, or income tax increases, but did not rule out inheritance tax, capital gains tax, or pension reform. He insisted Labour's decisions were a choice, criticising the government's spending announcements since winning power. The National Wealth Fund, GB Energy, and public sector pay rises added up to billions, he said. "If you make those choices, you’re going to have to put up taxes and she should be upfront that those are her decisions," he told BBC Breakfast on Tuesday. apple.news/A6BI5NoJOQPuCyV7AZu7WngLabour , the party of tax and spend. Always was , always will be . |
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Post by patman post on Jul 30, 2024 22:30:25 GMT
As promised: no VAT, national insurance, or income tax increases.
Must be strange for the electorate to have to get used to a political party keeping its promises.
Wonder if they’ll be sidetracked by the lies and misinformation that’s all the crazy Right have in their armoury…
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Post by Bentley on Jul 30, 2024 22:40:35 GMT
As promised: no VAT, national insurance, or income tax increases. Must be strange for the electorate to have to get used to a political party keeping its promises. Wonder if they’ll be sidetracked by the lies and misinformation that’s all the crazy Right have in their armour They’ve already snatched some benefits from pensioners and proposing cuts , yet spending on pet projects .It’s early days leftie. x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1818161014799520155ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/257369/thread |
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