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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 15, 2024 19:12:09 GMT
I know it is a popular argument, but in Japan and China their online business is even more developed. In China you can order some food up or any supermarket goods on your phone and it will be there in ten minutes, but despite all of this the streets are very lively, and you look in the evenings and they are still packed full of smiling people with all manner of attractions. In East Asian countries in general, the street food is legendary. The Koreans are shit hot at it too. These people are proper chefs and you can see by watching them work. In the UK we are faced with the fuckwit, and your experience at KFC is exactly this point - not having anything to say indicates their mental capacity. Mmmm, the obvious flaw in your argument is that the UK is not China Japan or Korea, thank heavens. I mean, in the UK dogs are pets, not dinner. Getting back to the demise of the high street - I think it started years ago when large supermarkets started to go up on the outskirts of towns which drew shoppers out of town, and at about the same time councils started pedestrianizing high streets which killed any passing traffic. I suppose you could say the death of the high street has been planned and implemented by local authorities. I thought it was pretty clear why East Asian countries mentioned have busy high streets. Look a the variety on offer and notice each vendor is independent. It's called a free market, something last seen in Britain decades ago. We're the fucked ones. Those chefs which cook up the food over there are highly skilled and probably been doing it for 30 years, not some min wage student types without a clue about anything. Shifting boxes is about as much as they can handle.
I did a little investigation into scampi the other day as well. When they say in a pub they are serving scampi, it can be as little as 6% scampi and the rest some super shit white fish. It is this cheating of the customer which really pisses people off. If 4/5 of your last meals in these places turn out to be not as good as advertised then eventually you are going to change your habits and find food elsewhere. The chap in the OP has done a whole load of videos of places to eat around the UK. Going supposedly up market, another tip he has is never eat in a place with Gordon Ramsey's name on it, or you will be ripped off with cack-handed food of low quality and high prices.
Regarding supermarkets out of town, well take a look at what they do in Japan. The shops are all within walking distance and if you want to go further you can just hop on a train to get to the next area. You hardly need a car if you live over there. The Japs have got a lot of things sussed.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 19:13:03 GMT
Actually, I think the high street has a much bigger problem than poor quality fast food. Amazon and internet shopping, for instance. Yes no place to park or pay to park, high rents for the shops, insurance , utilities gas water electric its easier for shoppers to drive to the nearest business retail park free parking everything in one place Yes indeed H, I've listened to a few retailers who said high rents were forcing them out of business. Again, this is down to local authorities. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 15, 2024 19:15:17 GMT
Yes no place to park or pay to park, high rents for the shops, insurance , utilities gas water electric its easier for shoppers to drive to the nearest business retail park free parking everything in one place Yes indeed H, I've listened to a few retailers who said high rents were forcing them out of business. Again, this is down to local authorities. Yes they bleed the high street shop keepers dry |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 15, 2024 19:34:43 GMT
Planners and experts have ruined many pleasant and useful life experiences. I’ve always liked fish and chips — but these day the best ones seem to be run by Chinese and Turkish personnel. Never liked UK hamburgers or chicken outlets — the US does fast food really well — but a really good UK kebab outlet is great. So are many Caribbean roti and takeaways. Chinese and Indian restaurants cater for local tastes — though some are gaining reputations for authentic regional dishes. For authentic English restaurants, it’s the Savoy for tea, Rules or Simpsons for lunch or dinner, then followed by an evening at Ronnie Scott’s… Cant beat good fish & chips, the problem, for us anyway, is finding good fish & chips. There is a good one in town we use occasionally but unless we're in town it's too far. Never been particularly big on things like burgers & sausages unless I know exactly what's in them, and I wouldn't touch a kebab. As for tea at the Savoy, or indeed Claridge's, who wouldn't enjoy that. Unfortunately a 300 mile round trip is a bit much for afternoon tea. It's not the point that London has elite establishments for the elite. The same was true in soviet Russia for the party officials. What we need are the kind of high streets that you can just hang out in any time of day or evening and there will be people there and things to do. You get that atmosphere in East Asian countries. Admittedly it is a whole load warmer, but you can chill there with a beer, listen to music, see all sorts of weird stuff go on like marital arts and strange dancing on the pavements. It's a friendly atmosphere as well, not like this country. It's got to be affordable as well so you feel like going out regularly. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 15, 2024 19:51:57 GMT
Yes no place to park or pay to park, high rents for the shops, insurance , utilities gas water electric its easier for shoppers to drive to the nearest business retail park free parking everything in one place Yes indeed H, I've listened to a few retailers who said high rents were forcing them out of business. Again, this is down to local authorities. Rent and rates are cited as major problems for local high street shops round here. Luckily, only Sainsburys, Tesco, Costa and Pret have moved into premises vacated by four banks so far. More little eateries are appearing… |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 19:59:53 GMT
It's not the point that London has elite establishments for the elite. The same was true in soviet Russia for the party officials. What we need are the kind of high streets that you can just hang out in any time of day or evening and there will be people there and things to do. You get that atmosphere in East Asian countries. Admittedly it is a whole load warmer, but you can chill there with a beer, listen to music, see all sorts of weird stuff go on like marital arts and strange dancing on the pavements. It's a friendly atmosphere as well, not like this country. It's got to be affordable as well so you feel like going out regularly. I have absolutely no desire to live in Asia or for that matter anywhere else in the world other than England. In a former life I wanted attachments/postings to far flung places and was moderately successful. The reason I didn't want UK postings is because I knew after the army I was going to spend the rest of my life in the UK and that was always my choice. Unfortunately troops today are likely to spend the vast majority if not all of their time in the UK, which is why I don't think I would have joined today's army. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 15, 2024 22:05:40 GMT
It's not the point that London has elite establishments for the elite. The same was true in soviet Russia for the party officials. What we need are the kind of high streets that you can just hang out in any time of day or evening and there will be people there and things to do. You get that atmosphere in East Asian countries. Admittedly it is a whole load warmer, but you can chill there with a beer, listen to music, see all sorts of weird stuff go on like marital arts and strange dancing on the pavements. It's a friendly atmosphere as well, not like this country. It's got to be affordable as well so you feel like going out regularly. I have absolutely no desire to live in Asia or for that matter anywhere else in the world other than England. In a former life I wanted attachments/postings to far flung places and was moderately successful. The reason I didn't want UK postings is because I knew after the army I was going to spend the rest of my life in the UK and that was always my choice. Unfortunately troops today are likely to spend the vast majority if not all of their time in the UK, which is why I don't think I would have joined today's army. I didn't say move there. The point of explaining what they do was to suggest to you that similar things can be accomplished in our high streets if the Brits would pull their heads out of their stupid arses. Fish and Chips is not to everyone's liking. They need to try harder. Most of them don't even know how to bloody cook. We have a nation of couch potatoes fed on junk food. I think half the problem is the Brits have stopped eating meat. Without meat they have become fairies. No energy, ultra delicate. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 22:29:50 GMT
I have absolutely no desire to live in Asia or for that matter anywhere else in the world other than England. In a former life I wanted attachments/postings to far flung places and was moderately successful. The reason I didn't want UK postings is because I knew after the army I was going to spend the rest of my life in the UK and that was always my choice. Unfortunately troops today are likely to spend the vast majority if not all of their time in the UK, which is why I don't think I would have joined today's army. I didn't say move there. The point of explaining what they do was to suggest to you that similar things can be accomplished in our high streets if the Brits would pull their heads out of their stupid arses. Fish and Chips is not to everyone's liking. They need to try harder. Most of them don't even know how to bloody cook. We have a nation of couch potatoes fed on junk food. I think half the problem is the Brits have stopped eating meat. Without meat they have become fairies. No energy, ultra delicate. OK I may be going off piste a tad but, Christ are you serious? The vast majority of people don't want this country turned into some Asian bazar ffs. I don't care how they live in Asia, eating dogs and fried cockroaches is their way of life and they're welcome to it, but I don't want it in this country and regardless of political correctness I will be vociferous in my rejection of it. It's time we started shouting about English traditions customs and way of life. I'm sick to death of having minorities pushed down my throat, I'm sick to death of being regarded as a privileged racist in my own country because I'm white and English. Things are going to come to a head, this government will see to that. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 15, 2024 22:31:05 GMT
Food in Hong Kong was absolute shit ….and Brits eat a lot of meat .
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 15, 2024 22:53:22 GMT
I didn't say move there. The point of explaining what they do was to suggest to you that similar things can be accomplished in our high streets if the Brits would pull their heads out of their stupid arses. Fish and Chips is not to everyone's liking. They need to try harder. Most of them don't even know how to bloody cook. We have a nation of couch potatoes fed on junk food. I think half the problem is the Brits have stopped eating meat. Without meat they have become fairies. No energy, ultra delicate. OK I may be going off piste a tad but, Christ are you serious? The vast majority of people don't want this country turned into some Asian bazar ffs. I don't care how they live in Asia, eating dogs and fried cockroaches is their way of life and they're welcome to it, but I don't want it in this country and regardless of political correctness I will be vociferous in my rejection of it. It's time we started shouting about English traditions customs and way of life. I'm sick to death of having minorities pushed down my throat, I'm sick to death of being regarded as a privileged racist in my own country because I'm white and English. Things are going to come to a head, this government will see to that. Why is it so difficult to understand that McDonalds and KFCs on every high street is not a sign of good food? It is shit and over-priced. I just think you have a completely distorted view of Asian food. It is a lot higher quality than the shit the Brits eat, and I know what they eat because they eat in proportion to what the supermarket stocks. Korean food is excellent and so is the Japanese. You get far more variety and flavours than chips, over-priced cod and mushy peas.
I watch the YT videos of them moaning that their high streets close down and then I look at what they get excited about and I just think it is the pits. They are unaware of their own debauch existence. The women are fat and ugly, they have tattoos and piercings everywhere and quite frankly this whole country bar a few civilised patches is going to the dogs. It is especially noticeable in seaside towns and towns from the midlands to the north. It's getting pretty bad down this way as well. Have you seen Torquay recently?
Just to be clear, neither am I suggesting we sell Asian food. What we do is sell proper British food and we make the British food as good and varied as their Asian food. We don't outsource every bloody business to McDonalds. We set up our own independent businesses and we have councils who can plan the area properly. A lot of the buildings are extremely ugly too. All of this detracts from one's visit to the high street. And we get rid of all the graffiti.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 15, 2024 22:59:39 GMT
Food in Hong Kong was absolute shit ….and Brits eat a lot of meat . Hong Kong is pretty old and dilapidated compared to some of the modern cities. Besides the Chinese have a weird taste. They like it though.
Brits used to eat a lot of meat, but not anymore.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 23:32:28 GMT
Why is it so difficult to understand that McDonalds and KFCs on every high street is not a sign of good food? It is shit and over-priced. I just think you have a completely distorted view of Asian food. It is a lot higher quality than the shit the Brits eat, and I know what they eat because they eat in proportion to what the supermarket stocks. Korean food is excellent and so is the Japanese. You get far more variety and flavours than chips, over-priced cod and mushy peas. I watch the YT videos of them moaning that their high streets close down and then I look at what they get excited about and I just think it is the pits. They are unaware of their own debauch existence. The women are fat and ugly, they have tattoos and piercings everywhere and quite frankly this whole country bar a few civilised patches is going to the dogs. It is especially noticeable in seaside towns and towns from the midlands to the north. It's getting pretty bad down this way as well. Have you seen Torquay recently? Just to be clear, neither am I suggesting we sell Asian food. What we do is sell proper British food and we make the British food as good and varied as their Asian food. We don't outsource every bloody business to McDonalds. We set up our own independent businesses and we have councils who can plan the area properly. A lot of the buildings are extremely ugly too. All of this detracts from one's visit to the high street. And we get rid of all the graffiti. BvL you're not paying attention are you. You disappoint me. I mentioned up the page that fast food... McDonalds KFC etc, was crap. I dont eat crap food, you can get away with it when you're young if you do plenty of exercise. I'm not young and I don't do nearly as much exercise as I used to because we tend to slow down as we get older. I don't eat 'shit', todays menu consisted of poached eggs on toast for breakfast (Lurpak smothered toast, I dont care). A large spinach smoothie for lunch and rice & tuna salad for tea. I know you're thinking...bollox, no one eats that healthily. Whatever, I cant prove it, but I promise it's the truth and it's not my everyday diet, but it's pretty routine. Mrs R insists on a Sunday roast, god knows why but she likes it so I shut up, it's once a week, no biggie. I eat quite healthily, and I don't smoke, my vice is booze and I know I shouldn't say this because my detractors will use it to bash me with, but tbh I don't care. If you drink the chances are you drink too much because these days we're supposed to drink so little. In a previous life I used to drink and smoke often to excess, and after getting back to the billet at 3am I could still get out of bed do PT and eat a full English breakfast including fried bread, which I always liked, all before 8am. Diet is more important when you get older. Which is why I don't eat shit. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jul 16, 2024 7:03:31 GMT
Why is it so difficult to understand that McDonalds and KFCs on every high street is not a sign of good food? It is shit and over-priced. I just think you have a completely distorted view of Asian food. It is a lot higher quality than the shit the Brits eat, and I know what they eat because they eat in proportion to what the supermarket stocks. Korean food is excellent and so is the Japanese. You get far more variety and flavours than chips, over-priced cod and mushy peas. I watch the YT videos of them moaning that their high streets close down and then I look at what they get excited about and I just think it is the pits. They are unaware of their own debauch existence. The women are fat and ugly, they have tattoos and piercings everywhere and quite frankly this whole country bar a few civilised patches is going to the dogs. It is especially noticeable in seaside towns and towns from the midlands to the north. It's getting pretty bad down this way as well. Have you seen Torquay recently? Just to be clear, neither am I suggesting we sell Asian food. What we do is sell proper British food and we make the British food as good and varied as their Asian food. We don't outsource every bloody business to McDonalds. We set up our own independent businesses and we have councils who can plan the area properly. A lot of the buildings are extremely ugly too. All of this detracts from one's visit to the high street. And we get rid of all the graffiti. BvL you're not paying attention are you. You disappoint me. I mentioned up the page that fast food... McDonalds KFC etc, was crap. I dont eat crap food, you can get away with it when you're young if you do plenty of exercise. I'm not young and I don't do nearly as much exercise as I used to because we tend to slow down as we get older. I don't eat 'shit', todays menu consisted of poached eggs on toast for breakfast (Lurpak smothered toast, I dont care). A large spinach smoothie for lunch and rice & tuna salad for tea. I know you're thinking...bollox, no one eats that healthily. Whatever, I cant prove it, but I promise it's the truth and it's not my everyday diet, but it's pretty routine. Mrs R insists on a Sunday roast, god knows why but she likes it so I shut up, it's once a week, no biggie. I eat quite healthily, and I don't smoke, my vice is booze and I know I shouldn't say this because my detractors will use it to bash me with, but tbh I don't care. If you drink the chances are you drink too much because these days we're supposed to drink so little. In a previous life I used to drink and smoke often to excess, and after getting back to the billet at 3am I could still get out of bed do PT and eat a full English breakfast including fried bread, which I always liked, all before 8am. Diet is more important when you get older. Which is why I don't eat shit. It's just you described Asian food as fried cockroaches. This implies to me that you think British food is so much better. Get out the friggin marching band and all, and proclaim Brits are best, except they fucking well are not. They are an embarrassment and that is why our high streets only sell shit. I'm not interested in your diet. This is about our high street and those who think they can get away with this pisstake. If you think everyone else is shit compared to your own country you will carry on in the shit. You won't want to do anything. The usual Brit whinge is !It's just the way it is/can't do anything about it. It's always excuses, yet my question is how come they can do it all over there. How come most of them are skilled cooks. Like i say, our country needs to pull its head out of its arse. As if putting down foreigners sovles the problem. |
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Post by bancroft on Jul 16, 2024 9:56:24 GMT
The problem with the high streets is not down to one factor yet several.
Parking is a key factor.
Business rates are another.
Traffic and public transport yet another.
Retail outlets are not perfect either, one near me with free parking means it can take over 30 mins to just get out of the car park.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 16, 2024 10:12:46 GMT
Per PP: "...Planners and experts have ruined many pleasant and useful life experiences. I’ve always liked fish and chips — but these day the best ones seem to be run by Chinese and Turkish personnel."The Times has an article today 23 of the UK’s best fish and chip shops As far as I can tell they're all run by natives. Perhaps Chinese and Turkish chippies are a particularly London thing, there being relatively few natives still around anyway? |
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