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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 17, 2024 9:10:07 GMT
Here is an interesting study of some late Miocene tracks … 5.7 million years ago … found in Crete … a mix of human and primate from the looks of the pictures further down the study paper … www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001678781730113XHmmm … 🤔 … We are still scratching the surface on our human history, imo. …. the fossil record is still pretty incomplete. It seems odd to me that in the Americas … the Establishment view is still clinging to the Alaskan land bridge migratory scenario .. of ‘Out-of-Africa’ came every branch of Human Evolution … that now forbids anything earlier than White Sands … 30,000 years ago. www.livescience.com/earliest-conclusive-evidence-found-of-humans-in-the-new-worldI like the idea humans were ‘seeded’ on our Earth by advanced visiting civilisations … amongst an array of long term Garden of Eden genetic manipulations and dinosaur experimentations … and continental drift separated them through many different phases of history …and largely meteor extinction events. . …different tribes evolving at different rates … going through explosions of cultural advancement when interacting with extra-terrestrial ‘interventions’. Some tribes like aboriginal peoples staying close to their primitive roots living in relative isolation, still using tribal skills which served them so well in hostile environments. Oh, I get it now. You've been playing the Assassin's Creed games and think it is real! FFS! All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 17, 2024 9:52:07 GMT
Oh, I get it now. You've been playing the Assassin's Creed games and think it is real! FFS! All The Best What are you wittering on about? … start doing a little REAL research for just a fragment of your tedious number of daily hours you seem to do here. 🙄 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 17, 2024 9:58:17 GMT
Oh, I get it now. You've been playing the Assassin's Creed games and think it is real! FFS! All The Best What are you wittering on about? … start doing a little REAL research for just a fragment of your tedious number of daily hours you seem to do here. 🙄 Oh, I do do real research. Which is precisely why I laugh at the bat-shit crazy, looney-tunes, tinfoil-hat-wearing, window-licking, curtain-clutchery you post. BTW: "Real research" is NOT posting obviously faked "historical" images of men with fake Pteranodons, and then claiming " this one might be faked, but all the others I chose not to post are real... ...honest guv". Which is really all you have done. Tell, me, did the aliens in anti-gravity warp-bubbles capture the Pteranodon and deliver it to the wild west just for that photo-op? All The Best |
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 17, 2024 12:12:16 GMT
Oh, I get it now. You've been playing the Assassin's Creed games and think it is real! FFS! All The Best What are you wittering on about? … start doing a little REAL research for just a fragment of your tedious number of daily hours you seem to do here. 🙄 Pray tell what is this "research" you have done? Have you studied peer reviewed papers on Paleoanthropology / Paleontology, or even read any book by experts in those fields? Or are you getting your information from some dodgy source on the internet... I think we already know the answer. The Dunning-Kruger effect^^^ Read this, it basically describes the "experts" you choose to believe, instead of the actual experts... then you believe them so it kind of describes you too. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 17, 2024 13:13:12 GMT
What are you wittering on about? … start doing a little REAL research for just a fragment of your tedious number of daily hours you seem to do here. 🙄 Pray tell what is this "research" you have done? Have you studied peer reviewed papers on Paleoanthropology / Paleontology, or even read any book by experts in those fields? Or are you getting your information from some dodgy source on the internet... I think we already know the answer. The Dunning-Kruger effect^^^ Read this, it basically describes the "experts" you choose to believe, instead of the actual experts... then you believe them so it kind of describes you too. Yes, as part of my Ancient History and Archaeology Masters Degree. Renfrew & Bahn's "Archaeology: Theories, Methods and Practice" is a good place to start on understanding archaeological dating techniques etc. Bahn & Verut's "Journey Through the Ice Age" is also a good read. I also read on Pre-History and Anthropology. Peer-Reviewed you say? Isn't that just the very same cognitive bias you just told me to avoid? Or doesn't it apply if you happen to agree with the outcome? Like Dub you don't seem to be able to understand how your own position is not even remotely internally consistent, and that is why it fails under any form of external scrutiny. I trust experts whose theories and ideas match the evidence they have gathered. Not the "experts" whose come up with a theory and then fabricate fake evidence with photos of Pteranodons and Modern Hunters. There's a 65 Million year gap in the fossil record between the destruction of the dinosaurs and the arrival of the earliest man. There's not one single credible piece of evidence to suggest otherwise. And Dub's obviously shopped images don't count. All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 18, 2024 5:49:53 GMT
So I drop a peer-reviewed research paper on a 5.7 million year old Crete track study … and all I get back from you ‘expert professional whiners’ is some facile comment about Assassin’s Creed. 🙄👏
When I talk about ‘research’ … I’m talking about having the common courtesy to study the ‘evidence’ dropped on here in detail … that makes up the holistic argument “Did humans walk with dinosaurs” … which is being proposed using a multiple range of different sources … from Creationists to peer-review.
It’s a discussion … nothing more.
I don’t give a fig about your prejudices that cherry-pick just what the Establishment feeds you … stop whinging … and discuss the faults in the photos, the fossils and the theory being dropped here … if you can find some … I’m interested in analysis of what is being presented here.
We all know the Establishment will only fund and peer-review research that fits in with their ‘marketing’ … and we know the Establishment is controlled and funded TOTALLY by Religious factions (eg. Smithsonian/University Research/Grant structures etc)… so nothing gets funding … no ideas get explored … that affects their economic model … or narratives they want to push about human origins.
Do you people moaning on here really know how this ‘Industry’ is wired??
I don’t trust Creationists or the Establishment archaeological viewpoint that has ‘lost’ so much evidence in the last 150 years in order to push their own financial interests.
Ripley dropped a good source that showed Paluxy sauropod tracks being misinterpreted by Creationists as a human trackway. - confirmed by a Youtuber video that convinced me some eroded impressions of human prints within the sauropod ones were not entirely convincing as a ‘trackway’.
…and naturally once these precious fragile tracks are exposed … and removed from their context … to protect them from damage and further erosion … the Establishment Evolutionists can step in and claim the context was lost, it wasn’t removed by proper approved excavators … and geologists refuse to analyse and confirm the context is accurate … where does that impasse leave the Public?
Vital footprint evidence once again ignored by the Establishment.
I have reservations about a couple of photos and a couple of fossil footprints in isolation.
So we keep digging for clues.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 18, 2024 6:49:55 GMT
Pray tell what is this "research" you have done? Have you studied peer reviewed papers on Paleoanthropology / Paleontology, or even read any book by experts in those fields? Or are you getting your information from some dodgy source on the internet... I think we already know the answer. The Dunning-Kruger effect^^^ Read this, it basically describes the "experts" you choose to believe, instead of the actual experts... then you believe them so it kind of describes you too. I’ve cobbled together evidence from many different sources - witness accounts/scientific research/peer-reviewed/Youtube/Wikipedia etc … to host a number of very popular highly controversial discussions on this Forum. Clearly to some paranoid Deep State Agency people peddling Project Fear - the Internet is full of “dodgy” domains we shouldn’t TRUST or believe.😄🫣 According to your Dunning-Kruger theorists who arrogantly assume all this is the work of lowbrow, unintelligent people who over estimate their worth … and dare to present evidence and an opinion that differs from that of a bullying Establishment of arrogant stuck up Elitists … out to dictate what we should think …. Did you figure out that Dunning-Kruger might just be there to manipulate you to be ‘conformist’ in your thinking? …. Some of us prefer to live outside ‘conformist lifestyles’. 😂🤔 It’s possible to judge each tiny fragment of evidence in isolation these days …. even stuff that might have fallen into the hands of Adolf Hitler, Ghengis Khan, Pol Pot and Putin. Detailed spectrographic analysis can restore context and provenance to even isolated ‘Establishment-demonised’ objects today … just as a DNA test/dental footprint can draw a geographic journey through our personal ancestry … If by dropping this D-K Link you are hinting this discussion is ‘unintelligent/low brow’ … and the evidence not worth analysing in detail … nobody is forcing you to be here just complaining about sources and making personal attacks on Members. … rather than analysing what is dropped … and contributing to educate us on our collective journey … |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 18, 2024 7:30:15 GMT
Moving on …. Here is a very interesting piece about the Ica Stones Controversy www.ancient-origins.net/unexplained-phenomena/do-ica-stones-prove-mankind-coexisted-dinosaurs-advanced-technology-098989…. Please read to the very END of this article to get a FULL picture of what it contains. It seems odd that this simple farmer had time in his day to attend to his farm 5am => 6+pm … yet carve 11,000+ complex stones in an exact Ica style? … evolving a narrative about space gods, surgery etc etc … and the BBC and Establishment swallowed this ‘story’ … hook, line and sinker … and said “there’s nothing to see here, move on folks!??” Interesting that other excavators are digging up similar artefact from other sites v. similar. Cave sites and burials. This guy has been a v.busy bee!🤔 … Yes, it’s POSSIBLE he faked them … but was he a farmer … or a full time carver? … or were ancient tribes responsible … those who were ‘walking with dinosaurs’?? …. leaving their cave art on rocks instead … in a land where dinosaurs survived long after the fossil record ‘dried up’. … quite literally.  And Dub's obviously shopped images don't count. All The Best [P.S. Proveritas has hinted I photoshop images dropped here … I don’t have Photoshop or anything similar … just a simple iPad with the older Photos editing tools - crop, sharpen, colour balance, tint adjust etc … and I use an app called Image Size … that drops pixel-heavy pics within the 1Mb limit this Forum restricts. Any photoshopped images that slip my filter … are purely by the artists who generated that content.] [P.P.S. … Be aware, some content is removed from the Internet by the Establishment … then ‘edited’ in Photoshop … and re dropped with obvious ‘flaws’ inserted … this is a common ploy that Agencies use to discredit certain narratives … UFO researchers have been dogged by the ‘distressing’ of film and photos online … including NASA ISS footage/Helioviewer content … that delivered proofs of extra-terrestrial civilisations visiting our Planet and Solar System.] …. As the Ica depicts them … sometimes copying Nazca line symbolism.🤔 |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 11:03:00 GMT
So I drop a peer-reviewed research paper on a 5.7 million year old Crete track study You do know the Dinosaurs were LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG dead 5.7 Million years ago, right? If all you have is ONE piece of contrarian evidence then there are HUGE problems with using that single drop to thwart the tidal-wave of evidence for the consensus. To overturn a well established, and evidentially supported, "consensus" one needs a lot more than a single contrarian piece of evidence. It can be done, absolutely, but it needs a LOT more rigour than Youtube videos and blogs. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 11:06:01 GMT
P.S. Proveritas has hinted I photoshop images dropped here … No I didn't. I said the images were clearly "shopped". I NEVER said YOU did it. Most likely you found a shopped image that supports your delusional views and jumped on it as evidence and thought posting it here would help your argument; when in fact is massively undermines your argument. That is what happens when you think blogs and youtube are "proper research" All The Best |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 18, 2024 20:13:57 GMT
And Dub's obviously shopped images don't count. P.S. Proveritas has hinted I photoshop images dropped here … No I didn't. I said the images were clearly "shopped". I NEVER said YOU did it. It’s preserved exactly what you said … it needed clarification what you meant. So I drop a peer-reviewed research paper on a 5.7 million year old Crete track study You do know the Dinosaurs were LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG dead 5.7 Million years ago, right? If all you have is ONE piece of contrarian evidence then there are HUGE problems with using that single drop to thwart the tidal-wave of evidence for the consensus. To overturn a well established, and evidentially supported, "consensus" one needs a lot more than a single contrarian piece of evidence. It depends which ‘dinosaurs’ we are talking about … witness reports suggest a few isolated areas might still have survivors of one species or another … lake monsters have been described … not just in Loch Ness … So can you provide some non-contrarian evidence all these pterosaur photos are modern photoshopped ‘fakes’?? … and all the evidence that exists in Native Indian folklore … and the newspaper witness reports of settlers to the New World reporting sightings of pterosaurs/thunderbirds … are all erroneous?? …Give definitive PROOF that NOTHING has survived in the Americas and remote corners of Indonesia?? In Indonesia, in areas of high mountain remoteness and dense jungle/coastal areas come reports from local native fishermen from the last century … described to one esteemed naturalist explorer … who relates they were being attacked quite regularly in their boats at night when using lights to fish … by what appeared in descriptions to be flying pterosaurs … presumable after easy food. There are so few pterosaur skeletons preserved in the fossil record that no accurate timeline of their evolution and extinction can possibly be mapped accurately. a-z-animals.com/blog/pterosaur-vs-pterodactyl-whats-the-difference/… like human origins and timelines … based on so few bones … “contrarian” evidence is how many describe what we see with both these species. Is this a genuine sighting?? … there have been many sightings recorded in the last couple of centuries in N.America. Here is an interesting video … which has been given a “fake” … label. … but the debunkers did a sloppy job, imo …. So analyse it for yourselves … frame by frame … using the Youtube upstroke and scroll method on your iPads … I like the way the colour wing transparency changes when the ‘reptile’ tucks and rolls briefly. A weird behavorial head/body flip to put in a ‘fake’ video … to be sure. 🤔 P.S. the posters magnified view is blurry … do your own magnification on your pad … scroll and let image sharpen frame by frame … it looks pretty good to me … and read the Comments section … serious people having similar witness experiences … others talk about detailed analysis on the film. Dates are being shifted back and back as the fossil record lines up against ancient cultures and their records set in stone … like the Ica stones painting a different history that shocks many scientists. … who are desperately shouting “fake” at everything that threatens their Establishment ‘programming’.. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 18, 2024 20:47:20 GMT
Nice video of a remote control vehicle.
All The Best
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Post by dodgydave on Jul 19, 2024 1:44:50 GMT
Pray tell what is this "research" you have done? Have you studied peer reviewed papers on Paleoanthropology / Paleontology, or even read any book by experts in those fields? Or are you getting your information from some dodgy source on the internet... I think we already know the answer. The Dunning-Kruger effect^^^ Read this, it basically describes the "experts" you choose to believe, instead of the actual experts... then you believe them so it kind of describes you too. Yes, as part of my Ancient History and Archaeology Masters Degree. Renfrew & Bahn's "Archaeology: Theories, Methods and Practice" is a good place to start on understanding archaeological dating techniques etc. Bahn & Verut's "Journey Through the Ice Age" is also a good read. I also read on Pre-History and Anthropology. Peer-Reviewed you say? Isn't that just the very same cognitive bias you just told me to avoid? Or doesn't it apply if you happen to agree with the outcome? Like Dub you don't seem to be able to understand how your own position is not even remotely internally consistent, and that is why it fails under any form of external scrutiny. I trust experts whose theories and ideas match the evidence they have gathered. Not the "experts" whose come up with a theory and then fabricate fake evidence with photos of Pteranodons and Modern Hunters. There's a 65 Million year gap in the fossil record between the destruction of the dinosaurs and the arrival of the earliest man. There's not one single credible piece of evidence to suggest otherwise. And Dub's obviously shopped images don't count. All The Best Sorry, I should have cropped better. I was replying to Dub... not you lol. I don't believe humans walked with Dinosaurs... I already posted that opinion earlier... it is ludicrous. Dubs likes to trust pseudo-scientists more than actual scientists, because he is conspiracy nut that thrives on thinking he has some kind of special knowledge. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 19, 2024 21:54:20 GMT
Nice video of a remote control vehicle. All The Best People who have made flying pterodactyl models have examined this video … and say it isn’t an RCV … Note the rather weird tucking of the head and flight adjustment manoeuvre(possibly because it spotted something briefly distracting) … it shows light shining through the gossamer brown skin of it’s wings. … It’s a bit difficult for a model vehicle to execute such a manoeuvre … drop the head and twist the body like that … and recover so adroitly … and with such flexibility. I don't believe humans walked with Dinosaurs... I already posted that opinion earlier... it is ludicrous. Dubs likes to trust pseudo-scientists more than actual scientists, because he is conspiracy nut that thrives on thinking he has some kind of special knowledge. I don’t take on trust anyone’s opinion … I look at evidence and make a personal judgement. In today’s World where even medical scientists, NASA, the CIA and the WHO lies thru it’s teeth … I suggest you do the same. In today’s chaotic world brought to the brink of nuclear war, anarchy and political assassinations … you think I’m the crazy person?? ….🤔 …. Hmmm. 😂 … I’m guessing you voted Labour … ??🤪 … and chose Biden over Trump?? Moving on …. rapidly. Let’s have another glimpse of the Meister Print … Here is what Wikipedia says about this 500 million year old impression. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meister_PrintNot much real analysis here … or links to a serious professional study of this important contentious fossilised impression.?? They have judged it to be a ‘spall’ based on the judgement of this one man … Brian Regal en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Regal…. clearly not an expert on ‘spall’ science. Just a cryptozoological professional skeptic ?? He dresses himself up as a professional scientist … but doesn’t appear to have any geology expertise?? Weird he is an ‘authority’ on the Meister footprint?? … Sounds a little bit flaky to me … ? I think we need to find a more serious analysis of this piece somewhere … because Creationists are saying this about the fossil: youtu.be/QS9pcyMX6o4?si=5GSxPzx9HP3YWbVx… a slightly heeled moccasin that has left stitch marks in the side of the impression?? … If that is true … that adds an interesting twist to this situation … 🤔 +++++++++ If some people here are pre-programmed and are not prepared to tackle these discussions with an open mind … and analyse what is here … that doesn’t bother me … but they can’t call themselves ‘scientists’ … because REAL scientists analyse EVERYTHING before making a Holistic argument…. jumping to a conclusion. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 20, 2024 0:37:30 GMT
Oh, but there is quite a LOT in the wiki link:
Even the links you post to support your tin-foil-hattery actually do the opposite.
This is what happens when someone picks a conclusion and tries to find evidence to support that conclusion, rather than just taking the evidence and seeing where it leads using the scientific method.
What an own goal - laugahble.
All The Best
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