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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 11, 2024 12:36:16 GMT
Oh look. In a desperate attempt to thank past labour voters Starmer is sorting out early release of a ehole liad of convicted criminals.
The Labour Party Donating Society of Northern Child Sex Groomers WOULD be marking the occasion with a night on the lash, but their imam reminded them the prophet says fucking an eight year old is ok but drinking any of the vodka you give her to nake her more pliable beforehand is strictly haram so they’re using a different lash instead
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 12, 2024 13:19:47 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison?
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Post by Handyman on Jul 12, 2024 13:30:52 GMT
This is what the Financial Times has published today, as far as I am aware violent offenders will still be sent to prison and those currently inside for violence will not be eligible for early release.
The Conservatives released 10,000 prisoners early to ease the jail capacity crisis, according to figures released ahead of the new Labour government setting out more drastic steps to reduce the prison population.
Figures published by the Ministry of Justice on Friday revealed the number of prisoners let out between October 17 and June 30 under the End of Custody Supervised Licence scheme.
The ECSL scheme enabled certain prisoners to be released a maximum of 18 days prior to their release date. This expanded to 35 days in March and 70 days from May onwards.
The scheme applied to prisoners who had served at least 50 per cent of their sentence. Justice secretary Shabana Mahmood is set to say on Friday that the government will go further and allow the release of some offenders who have served 40 per cent of their sentence, in an effort to free up capacity.
Mahmood will claim that, without the move, prisons will run out of places and the public could be put at risk from “unchecked criminality” on the streets because police will not have the cell capacity needed to arrest and process dangerous criminals.
The move had been intended to be introduced under the Conservatives but was pushed back due to the election.
One senior prison official said the situation was “vulnerable to shocks in estate”, including civil disorder and riots similar to those witnessed in 2011 when staff lost control of HMP Prison Ford in West Sussex.
“If nothing was done, I would be professionally very, very worried by the August Bank Holiday,” the official added.
Sir Keir Starmer on Thursday said that urgent action was required because prisons in England and Wales had been left to deteriorate under the previous government.
“This is a total failure of the last government . . . to have left a situation where there are simply not enough prison places for the number of prisoners,” Starmer told the BBC at a Nato summit in Washington.
He added that high-risk offenders would be excluded under any early release scheme.
Measures to release prisoners earlier than previously anticipated will help alleviate pressure in the system, but will generate a limited buffer and shift demand on to the probation service.
The male prison estate has about 700 free spaces and courts may grind to a halt alongside a suspension of arrests once jails are at capacity, according to one official. The situation has fluctuated in recent months and the number of available places has at times fallen below 500, placing severe pressures on the prison service.
The Prison Governors’ Association on Thursday said former prime minister Rishi Sunak had avoided making hard decisions in office despite advice from his own ministers.
“We hope that over the coming months a significant reduction in the prison population will bring some much-needed stability across the system. Prisons need time to heal,” the PGA added.
The justice ministry, under the Conservatives, had been releasing some prisoners 70 days early on an ad hoc basis since October.
“We’ve got to pick it up. We’ve got to clean up the mess and then put in a plan for never being in this position,” Starmer said.
Former Tory justice secretary Alex Chalk earlier on Thursday warned that reducing the time served to 40 per cent would only buy the new government another 18 months before jails fill up again.
“[It] will buy you 18 months, but it won’t buy you any more than that,” he told the BBC. “You have to, as new justice secretary, be very frank and credible about the long term.”
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Mark Day, deputy director of the Prison Reform Trust, a charity, said there was an “immediate crisis” in capacity that warranted emergency measures. “They have to take measures which substantially take pressure off,” he said.
But Day warned that in the long term Labour needed to address issues surrounding sentencing that had enabled the prison population to increase for several decades.
He noted the minimum tariff for serious offences including murder had “massively increased” alongside the use of indeterminate and extended sentences — a type of sentence that includes a spell in jail and extended period up to five years out on licence — to further strain services.
Any move to release prisoners early would require investment in probation services, he added.
While in opposition, Mahmood criticised the previous government’s Sentencing bill, which featured a presumption against short sentences, for not making provisions to handle people on licence once released into the community.
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Post by borchester on Jul 12, 2024 13:51:33 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? No, I would prefer that if the prisons are full then any new villains be given rolls of barb wire and told to build concentration camps into which they could imprison themselves.
Alternatively, they could be locked up at aritaeus' place
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 12, 2024 14:13:00 GMT
I agree if it's BBC non-licence payers, council tax debt, all these are white collar offenses, no one should be locked up for not paying a BBC licence fee, or council tax bill, or neighbour disputes (unless they are violent), non-violent non-sexual like shoplifters no prison, remembering that old dear who it was clear she wasn't all there pushed a pensioner on to the road, I know she died, but sending that woman to prison was a mistake.
Then you have rapists gun/knife attackers getting a slap on the wrist.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 12, 2024 16:36:01 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? Bat and ball politics, we imported a crimewave over a couple of generations, so rather than just blame the Conservatives who are arseholes, but why not look in the mirror and admit it is the same shit different day and the likelihood of new labour changing anything is just about zero. Sticking plasters won't fix a country that has all but bled to death. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 12, 2024 16:54:23 GMT
I agree if it's BBC non-licence payers, council tax debt, all these are white collar offenses... Except it's not. All current prisoners are either recidivists who have exhausted all non-custodial options or serious offenders. I remembering that old dear who it was clear she wasn't all there pushed a pensioner on to the road, I know she died, but sending that woman to prison was a mistake... As an aside, that ridiculous conviction was, quite predictably, overturned. Then you have rapists gun/knife attackers getting a slap on the wrist... True, but then what we have at the moment is every offender getting a slap on the wrist. In reality, these harmless prisoners that Labour pretend are clogging up our prisons don't exist. They're all in there because they need to be. Labour will be unleashing a crime wave. But then we knew that. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 12, 2024 16:58:56 GMT
Cut out the middleman and legalise burglary , shoplifting and indecent exposure for trans men.
When you wake up at night and find a burglar stealing your possessions, just acknowledge your privilege and go back to bed.
When you see a shoplifter wheeling a trolley of stolen goods out of Tescos just remember that they are desperate victims of society..so desperate in fact that they pushed the fat security guard over .
When Dave the 14 stone 6 ft scaffolder ‘ trans woman’ Willy waves at your daughter in the swimming pool ladies changing room remember that Dave is within his rights to head butt you because you are ‘ transphobic’….and that just won’t do.
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Post by see2 on Jul 12, 2024 18:24:27 GMT
Wiki.
"In the 1980s there was increasing criticism and concern about the quality of long term care for dependent people. There was also concern about the experiences of people leaving long term institutional care and being left to fend for themselves in the community. Yet the government was committed to the idea of 'care in the community'." (Thatcher's Government)
Institutional care carried with it many cases of abuse, so there was a case for reform. The Problem was that there there appeared to be no organised transmission from institutional care to care at home, which was originally perceived. So many of the mentally and physically needy individuals and their families were left floundering. I wonder how many such people ended up in prison then, and even today.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 12, 2024 18:38:50 GMT
Wiki Although this policy has been attributed to the Margaret Thatcher government in the 1980s, community care was not a new idea. As a policy it had been around since the early 1950s. Its general aim was a more cost-effective way of helping people with mental health problems and physical disabilities, by removing them from impersonal, often Victorian, institutions, and caring for them in their own homes. Since the 1950s various governments had been attracted to the policy of community care. Despite support for the policy, the number of in-patients in large hospitals and residential establishments continued to increase. At the same time, public opinion was gradually turned against long-stay institutions by allegations from the media. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Care_in_the_Community |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2024 7:17:47 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? Hang the newly convicted violent criminals They can then be if use to society assisting us in our net zero targets by being burned in biomass chpnpkants |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 13, 2024 8:29:36 GMT
I agree if it's BBC non-licence payers, council tax debt, all these are white collar offenses... Except it's not. All current prisoners are either recidivists who have exhausted all non-custodial options or serious offenders. I remembering that old dear who it was clear she wasn't all there pushed a pensioner on to the road, I know she died, but sending that woman to prison was a mistake... As an aside, that ridiculous conviction was, quite predictably, overturned. Then you have rapists gun/knife attackers getting a slap on the wrist... True, but then what we have at the moment is every offender getting a slap on the wrist. In reality, these harmless prisoners that Labour pretend are clogging up our prisons don't exist. They're all in there because they need to be. Labour will be unleashing a crime wave. But then we knew that. We already know the prisoners who will be released priority first and foremost, Muslim inmates will be the first to benefit from Labours amnesty, Labour needs to make amends to the Muslim community for not doing what they were told over Gaza |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2024 12:16:06 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? Hang the newly convicted violent criminals They can then be if use to society assisting us in our net zero targets by being burned in biomass chpnpkants I agree. And, if you believe in such things, their carbon footprint would be reduced to zero.
Double bonus.
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Post by Bentley on Jul 13, 2024 16:04:40 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? What did the government do wrong ? Should they have employed more police ? If they had employed more police then the numbers of arrests would rise and that would strain the judiciary and courts with more cases . If that meant more convictions then the prisons would be even more overstretched. Would you have been happy for the Tories to have built more prisons from 14 years ago as a start? Maybe a more stringent migrant policy to keep out foreign criminals and young men from war torn areas of the world, 14 years ago? How about a more robust stop and search policy and a zero tolerance of minor crimes ? What non violent criminal should be let out ? Scammers? Habitual shoplifters ? Drug dealers ? Burglars ? |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 13, 2024 17:19:51 GMT
Sir Keir Starmer is facing calls to send ten thousand foreign prisoners languishing in crammed UK jails back to their home countries.
The Government has announced plans to release thousands of inmates back on to the streets, claiming the measure is essential in order to prevent jails running out of room.
But figures from the Ministry of Justice show there are 10,422 foreign nationals held in custody - around one in eight of all prisoners. Of these, 6,632 have been convicted of a crime and sentenced while others are on remand.
The Home Secretary has a legal duty under the UK Borders Act 2007 to deport any person who is not an Irish or British citizen who is sentenced to at least 12 months in prison, unless it would breach their human rights. They also have the power to deport any non-British person when it would be "conducive to the public good".
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