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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 18:01:05 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? Pillock. Prisons are full because a small percentage of those who commit crime are actually caught and arrested, and of those charged an even smaller percentage actually go to prison. Crimes like car theft, shop lifting and even burglary are in many cases not even investigated. I suppose not recording crime is another way of keeping crime figures down. Crime will obviously continue to go up as the population increases, who knew? and the population has increased by 8 million over the past two decades. We are importing hundreds of thousands of immigrants who do not share our values our customs or way of life, no one should be surprised that we have 14,000 foreign criminals in prison in this country, or that 12,000 Albanian refugees lol, have breached bail conditions, removed tags and disappeared into the criminal underworld. Illegals in the EU are not the only group who are celebrating a Labour win. Every criminal in the country whether in prison or not will be very happy with a Labour government who are traditionally soft on crime, and Starmer has wasted no time in proving it. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 13, 2024 18:22:29 GMT
Well he's got to get his voters out, I suppose.
Especially the ones in Belmarsh.
Peace be upon them.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 18:44:14 GMT
Well he's got to get his voters out, I suppose. Especially the ones in Belmarsh. Peace be upon them. Allahu akbar... |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2024 18:57:51 GMT
I agree if it's BBC non-licence payers, council tax debt, all these are white collar offenses, no one should be locked up for not paying a BBC licence fee, or council tax bill, or neighbour disputes (unless they are violent), non-violent non-sexual like shoplifters no prison, remembering that old dear who it was clear she wasn't all there pushed a pensioner on to the road, I know she died, but sending that woman to prison was a mistake. Then you have rapists gun/knife attackers getting a slap on the wrist. Drug addled shoplifters are wreaking daily havoc on small retail businesses in my town and the police do fuck all. The last one pulled a seriously wicked knife on the guy throwing him out. They are violent, drug fuelled pueces of shit. They deserve no quarter. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 13, 2024 20:14:17 GMT
I agree if it's BBC non-licence payers, council tax debt, all these are white collar offenses, no one should be locked up for not paying a BBC licence fee, or council tax bill, or neighbour disputes (unless they are violent), non-violent non-sexual like shoplifters no prison, remembering that old dear who it was clear she wasn't all there pushed a pensioner on to the road, I know she died, but sending that woman to prison was a mistake. Then you have rapists gun/knife attackers getting a slap on the wrist. Drug addled shoplifters are wreaking daily havoc on small retail businesses in my town and the police do fuck all. The last one pulled a seriously wicked knife on the guy throwing him out. They are violent, drug fuelled pueces of shit. They deserve no quarter. Agree, when they are on a commercial scale, then it's organized crime.
I was talking about shoplifters who steal to keep themselves with food, and whatnot.
If shoplifting involves violence then it takes it to the next level, which is robbery with violence, which should not be including in the Labour soft-touch approach
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 13, 2024 22:14:17 GMT
Drug addled shoplifters are wreaking daily havoc on small retail businesses in my town and the police do fuck all. The last one pulled a seriously wicked knife on the guy throwing him out. They are violent, drug fuelled pueces of shit. They deserve no quarter. Agree, when they are on a commercial scale, then it's organized crime.
I was talking about shoplifters who steal to keep themselves with food, and whatnot.
If shoplifting involves violence then it takes it to the next level, which is robbery with violence, which should not be including in the Labour soft-touch approach
It’s not an ‘organised’ crime in any sense i can fathom. Basically the lefty wankers running tbe council have declared it a city of sanctuary and the streets are now full of tent dwelling low lifes who actively refuse council initiatives to get them off the streets. A couple of years ago the streets were cleared but now its back worse than ever, and retailers in multiple stores in three streets report a plague of mainly drug addled thieves. Killings and maimings are up too as fights are getting a regular thing. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 22:34:11 GMT
Drug addled shoplifters are wreaking daily havoc on small retail businesses in my town and the police do fuck all. The last one pulled a seriously wicked knife on the guy throwing him out. They are violent, drug fuelled pueces of shit. They deserve no quarter. Agree, when they are on a commercial scale, then it's organized crime.
I was talking about shoplifters who steal to keep themselves with food, and whatnot.
If shoplifting involves violence then it takes it to the next level, which is robbery with violence, which should not be including in the Labour soft-touch approach
I will be corrected, but I don't think shoplifting is elevated to robbery with violence, even if violence is used, and that's because shoplifting is not considered to be robbery. If someone snatches your mobile phone in the street, that's robbery. If they beat you up and steal your phone, that's robbery with violence. If someone steals a hundred quids worth of booze from a supermarket, I believe the official police response is; if you have the offenders name and address we may send someone to interview him, when an officer becomes available. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 13, 2024 23:42:17 GMT
The prison crisis is 100% a Conservative government crisis, caused by the Conservative government, created by the Conservative government.
Inherited by the new government, which now has to attempt to try to resolve the crisis somehow
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 8:25:59 GMT
Well he's got to get his voters out, I suppose. Especially the ones in Belmarsh. Peace be upon them.  |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 10:04:34 GMT
Agree, when they are on a commercial scale, then it's organized crime.
I was talking about shoplifters who steal to keep themselves with food, and whatnot.
If shoplifting involves violence then it takes it to the next level, which is robbery with violence, which should not be including in the Labour soft-touch approach
It’s not an ‘organised’ crime in any sense i can fathom. Basically the lefty wankers running tbe council have declared it a city of sanctuary and the streets are now full of tent dwelling low lifes who actively refuse council initiatives to get them off the streets. A couple of years ago the streets were cleared but now its back worse than ever, and retailers in multiple stores in three streets report a plague of mainly drug addled thieves. Killings and maimings are up too as fights are getting a regular thing. It is now being classed as " Organised Crime " in many instances when an organised group with steam into a shop and simply grab as many phones, bottles of Brandy fags etc and run out again and will not hesitate to assault shop workers or security staff if they try and stop them. Police have set up a special unit to try and deal with them, |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 14, 2024 10:07:22 GMT
It’s not an ‘organised’ crime in any sense i can fathom. Basically the lefty wankers running tbe council have declared it a city of sanctuary and the streets are now full of tent dwelling low lifes who actively refuse council initiatives to get them off the streets. A couple of years ago the streets were cleared but now its back worse than ever, and retailers in multiple stores in three streets report a plague of mainly drug addled thieves. Killings and maimings are up too as fights are getting a regular thing. It is now being classed as " Organised Crime " in many instances when an organised group with steam into a shop and simply grab as many phones, bottles of Brandy fags etc and run out again and will not hesitate to assault shop workers or security staff if they try and stop them. Police have set up a special unit to try and deal with them, Ok fair enough, i must admit the retailers i know in the area have not (yet) faced such organisation, but if it’s going on elsewhere i guess it’s only a matter of time |
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Post by see2 on Jul 14, 2024 10:07:35 GMT
Well he's got to get his voters out, I suppose. Especially the ones in Belmarsh. Peace be upon them. It's just a pity you don't use your brain for something positive. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 10:18:00 GMT
It is now being classed as " Organised Crime " in many instances when an organised group with steam into a shop and simply grab as many phones, bottles of Brandy fags etc and run out again and will not hesitate to assault shop workers or security staff if they try and stop them. Police have set up a special unit to try and deal with them, Ok fair enough, i must admit the retailers i know in the area have not (yet) faced such organisation, but if it’s going on elsewhere i guess it’s only a matter of time I did read in the media that some of these " Organised Gangs " are made up of people who have been smuggled into the UK and forced to steal to pay the Smugglers Fee, some are made to look after Cannabis Grows, others are simply local criminals who will steal anything that can be sold quickly |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 14, 2024 10:46:11 GMT
The prisons are full due to the incompetence of the last government. Let some non-violent prisoners out to make space for newly convicted violent criminals, unless you'd prefer to keep these newly convicted violent criminals on the streets because there's no room in prison? LOB IMHO Criminals have been put in Prison for years in the UK even transported to Australia for stealing a loaf of bread or hung now that is what I call a suspended sentence  , today we thankfully don't do that. The Tories have traditionally have been see to be the party of law and order, Labour on the other hand IMO soft on crime, fast forward to today due to the size of the population a breakdown in some sections of our society that are undisciplined at home by parents who do care, lack of discipline in schools , the huge rise in drug abuse more people are being arrested. Some get cautioned others are charged and put before the Courts, for lower levels of crime the sentence can often be Probation, Suspended Sentence, Drug Abuse help etc , it is not uncommon for repeat offenders to be given these or sort of sentences until they finally end up being sent to Prison, many do not fear going to Prison. Violent Offences such a Murder, Rape, GBH, or Drug Dealing etc are sent to Prison and rightly so, what happens to them is a decision made a Court not any Government |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 14, 2024 10:56:29 GMT
The prison crisis is 100% a Conservative government crisis, caused by the Conservative government, created by the Conservative government. Inherited by the new government, which now has to attempt to try to resolve the crisis somehow Would you like a little sauce to go with the bullshit ? Graph produced as part of The Howard League who are as I'm sure you know dedicated to eradicating punishment for crime. It must cause nettle rash on their arses to show the increase in overcrowding under Major's last breaths continued unabated under Blair and only scaled back at the end of his time howardleague.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Overcrowding-explainer-graph.jpg |
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, today we thankfully don't do that.