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Post by thomas on Jul 10, 2024 7:45:34 GMT
A turnout of 59.2% was 8.5 points down on 2019
The key comfort for the SNP may be that this was a low-turnout election, with voter participation at 59.2%. That’s down 8.4 percentage points from 2019, and was reflected in every seat. A dozen seats had turnout down more than 10%.
The worst falls were in Edinburgh North and Leith and Airdrie and Shotts, with the vote falling by 13.6%.
So when John Swinney is trying to work out where half a million SNP votes went, he might conclude that many of them could have stayed at home.
The same thing hit the party in 2017, when they lost 21 seats - and many of them were won back in 2019, when turnout rose again.
The low turnout also means some majorities are not as big as they look. Glasgow North is technically considered a safe-ish seat with a 10.2% Labour majority, but the SNP were only 3,539 votes behind.
That may be some comfort to the SNP as they look to the future.
So even hours after the counting has finished, most of the parties will already be turning their attention to the Holyrood election in 2026 - some looking to consolidate their gains, and others hoping to bounce back.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpv3ydex017o
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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 9:26:59 GMT
Very few people in the UK are so moronic that they wish to be governed by such absolute crooks as the SNP.
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Post by Ripley on Jul 10, 2024 14:48:13 GMT
Very few people in the UK are so moronic that they wish to be governed by such absolute crooks as the SNP. Are you not more worried about the £265 Billion per year that disappears into a black hole at Westminster? |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 15:27:57 GMT
Very few people in the UK are so moronic that they wish to be governed by such absolute crooks as the SNP. Are you not more worried about the £265 Billion per year that disappears into a black hole at Westminster? Abolish devolution, abolish the Barnett formula sort out our political system and save cash. |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 10, 2024 15:34:11 GMT
Tory Incompetence in Westminster has delayed or destroyed the vision of UK Brexit that was promised ( or hoped for ) . It also has delayed or destroyed a halt to left wing wokeism .
SNP incompetence has delayed or destroyed the vision of an independent Scotland .
Whataboutery doesn’t mitigate either .
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 17:41:03 GMT
The Scottish public turned there back on the Cry babies of westminster .
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Post by Bentley on Jul 10, 2024 19:15:21 GMT
The Scottish public turned there back on the Cry babies of westminster . The SNP? |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 10, 2024 22:09:30 GMT
The Scottish public turned there back on the Cry babies of westminster . The SNP? Yes |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:15:12 GMT
Tory Incompetence in Westminster has delayed or destroyed the vision of UK Brexit that was promised ( or hoped for ) . It also has delayed or destroyed a halt to left wing wokeism . SNP incompetence has delayed or destroyed the vision of an independent Scotland . Whataboutery doesn’t mitigate either . fully agree with you Bentley. Im more worried about the incompetence of the political elite supposedly championing Scottish indy , which isnt just aimed at the snp , than I am of the Labour Party who won seats off the back of a discredited fptp system disproportionate to their vote share. The danger for the snp in particular , and the scot indy movement in general , is that the gravy slurping chancers who were voted out at the Westminster election , now try and feather their nests by attempting to sneak into Holyrood in 2026 , with similar rejection from the Scottish public allowing labour and others to take control. The abc article makes it clear there was no great surge to reemabrace unionism , or labour in particular in scotland , and that half million snp voters stayed at home in disgust. The positive thing , about the only positive thing I can see going forward is the fact we will have two years for the public to witness the disaster that is a starmer government. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:19:10 GMT
Very few people in the UK are so moronic that they wish to be governed by such absolute crooks as the SNP. Are you not more worried about the £265 Billion per year that disappears into a black hole at Westminster? you are wasting your time with Vinny looking for some sort of credible discussion. Kill the invaders and abolish everything Vinny doesn't like is about the pinnacle of vinkovskis intellectual debate in the world of politics. We have just had possibly the worst Westminster tory government , and prime minister , in history , where their own voters deserted them in droves due to their incompetence and corruption , with an incoming labour government not valued much better ,but in vinnys world , all he can do is scream snp bad , without knowing much about scotland or why the snp is bad. People in glass houses and all that..... |
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Post by Bentley on Jul 11, 2024 10:54:06 GMT
Tory Incompetence in Westminster has delayed or destroyed the vision of UK Brexit that was promised ( or hoped for ) . It also has delayed or destroyed a halt to left wing wokeism . SNP incompetence has delayed or destroyed the vision of an independent Scotland . Whataboutery doesn’t mitigate either . fully agree with you Bentley. Im more worried about the incompetence of the political elite supposedly championing Scottish indy , which isnt just aimed at the snp , than I am of the Labour Party who won seats off the back of a discredited fptp system disproportionate to their vote share. The danger for the snp in particular , and the scot indy movement in general , is that the gravy slurping chancers who were voted out at the Westminster election , now try and feather their nests by attempting to sneak into Holyrood in 2026 , with similar rejection from the Scottish public allowing labour and others to take control. The abc article makes it clear there was no great surge to reemabrace unionism , or labour in particular in scotland , and that half million snp voters stayed at home in disgust. The positive thing , about the only positive thing I can see going forward is the fact we will have two years for the public to witness the disaster that is a starmer government. The Westminster SNP trying to sneak back into Holyrood? I never thought of that ! I can understand that the demise of the current SNP doesn’t necessarily less Scot’s wanting independence too. Its ( kind of ) mirrored in the demise of the Tories . I still wonder that if the UK becomes closer to the EU, it might make the case for Scot independence a little less compelling. |
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Post by Ripley on Jul 11, 2024 14:15:29 GMT
Are you not more worried about the £265 Billion per year that disappears into a black hole at Westminster? you are wasting your time with Vinny looking for some sort of credible discussion. Kill the invaders and abolish everything Vinny doesn't like is about the pinnacle of vinkovskis intellectual debate in the world of politics. We have just had possibly the worst Westminster tory government , and prime minister , in history , where their own voters deserted them in droves due to their incompetence and corruption , with an incoming labour government not valued much better ,but in vinnys world , all he can do is scream snp bad , without knowing much about scotland or why the snp is bad. People in glass houses and all that..... The Tories certainly earned this Labour landslide, didn't they? After putting the country through Brexit ostensibly in order to recover 'sovereignty', what did they improve? Nothing that I can see. As for Scotland, I'm reading that back in 1713, a bill was put before parliament calling for an end to the Union altogether. It was brought by three nobles, Erskine, Ogilvy and Campbell, who six years previously had been amongst the most committed to the Union. Only a single vote kept the Union alive. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 15:12:43 GMT
fully agree with you Bentley. Im more worried about the incompetence of the political elite supposedly championing Scottish indy , which isnt just aimed at the snp , than I am of the Labour Party who won seats off the back of a discredited fptp system disproportionate to their vote share. The danger for the snp in particular , and the scot indy movement in general , is that the gravy slurping chancers who were voted out at the Westminster election , now try and feather their nests by attempting to sneak into Holyrood in 2026 , with similar rejection from the Scottish public allowing labour and others to take control. The abc article makes it clear there was no great surge to reemabrace unionism , or labour in particular in scotland , and that half million snp voters stayed at home in disgust. The positive thing , about the only positive thing I can see going forward is the fact we will have two years for the public to witness the disaster that is a starmer government. The Westminster SNP trying to sneak back into Holyrood? I never thought of that ! I can understand that the demise of the current SNP doesn’t necessarily less Scot’s wanting independence too. Its ( kind of ) mirrored in the demise of the Tories . I still wonder that if the UK becomes closer to the EU, it might make the case for Scot independence a little less compelling. it might make scot indy slightly less compelling for some , but as ive said numerous times , Brexit is a symptom of the uks long term decline and malaise , not the root cause of issues like Scottish independence. We got 45% voting out in 2014 , long before Brexit . The snp are their own worst enemies. You won't see Scottish indy off the back of the shower at the helm of that party in the near future , the so called sturgeon clique and their gender fetish. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 15:31:33 GMT
you are wasting your time with Vinny looking for some sort of credible discussion. Kill the invaders and abolish everything Vinny doesn't like is about the pinnacle of vinkovskis intellectual debate in the world of politics. We have just had possibly the worst Westminster tory government , and prime minister , in history , where their own voters deserted them in droves due to their incompetence and corruption , with an incoming labour government not valued much better ,but in vinnys world , all he can do is scream snp bad , without knowing much about scotland or why the snp is bad. People in glass houses and all that..... The Tories certainly earned this Labour landslide, didn't they? After putting the country through Brexit ostensibly in order to recover 'sovereignty', what did they improve? Nothing that I can see. As for Scotland, I'm reading that back in 1713, a bill was put before parliament calling for an end to the Union altogether. It was brought by three nobles, Erskine, Ogilvy and Campbell, who six years previously had been amongst the most committed to the Union. Only a single vote kept the Union alive. I think it a stretch calling it a labour landslide on the vote share , turnout , and dodgy electoral system but aye , a combination of the tories disgraceful governance of the uk , the implosion of the sturgeonite snp , and Farage taking four million tory votes has led to a labour government the vast majority didnt want. Brexit could have worked . The tories simply jumped on the Brexit bandwagon when they saw the writing on the wall post 2016 , then jumped back off again when it suited. No one can say the majority of tories honestly wanted Brexit to work. Thats another story though , and a mere part of the uks problems. Aye , the first "home rule bill" as they entitled it went through Westminster a few years after the original union , and was led by the very lords who had accepted the vast bribes that enabled the union in the first place when they realised they had been duped. I still love burns poem " parcel of rogues " lamenting those bought and sold for English gold , a masterpiece to this day. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 11, 2024 19:02:17 GMT
you are wasting your time with Vinny looking for some sort of credible discussion. Kill the invaders and abolish everything Vinny doesn't like is about the pinnacle of vinkovskis intellectual debate in the world of politics. We have just had possibly the worst Westminster tory government , and prime minister , in history , where their own voters deserted them in droves due to their incompetence and corruption , with an incoming labour government not valued much better ,but in vinnys world , all he can do is scream snp bad , without knowing much about scotland or why the snp is bad. People in glass houses and all that..... The Tories certainly earned this Labour landslide, didn't they? After putting the country through Brexit ostensibly in order to recover 'sovereignty', what did they improve? Nothing that I can see. As for Scotland, I'm reading that back in 1713, a bill was put before parliament calling for an end to the Union altogether. It was brought by three nobles, Erskine, Ogilvy and Campbell, who six years previously had been amongst the most committed to the Union. Only a single vote kept the Union alive. We went from being the seventh biggest exporter in the world to the fourth. |
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