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Post by see2 on Jul 15, 2024 12:11:53 GMT
I suppose I should give you credit for posting the obvious error, did you get a kick out of it? He never had a complete open door policy, he did have an open door policy for the FOM from new EU member countries. He did voice his opinion on increased immigration from abroad but the latter is not a policy, its an opinion. After Thatcher destroyed thousands of small engineering firms along with many other businesses as she added a couple of million people to the list of people without jobs, and introduced 'Self Employed' status that destroyed much of the apprenticeship on the job systems up and down the country. And introduced her "Grant Maintained" school system that left most state schools seriously under funded, turning out half-educated people some of whom it was claimed by industrialists, who couldn't even fill in a job application form. New Labour found that as the economy grew, this country didn't have the skills, the entrepreneurs, the business people or the trained and educated people to enable the economy to grow. Hence Blair's opinion on immigration. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 15, 2024 12:23:30 GMT
I suppose I should give you credit for posting the obvious error, did you get a kick out of it? He never had a complete open door policy, he did have an open door policy for the FOM from new EU member countries. He did voice his opinion on increased immigration from abroad but the latter is not a policy, its an opinion. After Thatcher destroyed thousands of small engineering firms along with many other businesses as she added a couple of million people to the list of people without jobs, and introduced 'Self Employed' status that destroyed much of the apprenticeship on the job systems up and down the country. And introduced her "Grant Maintained" school system that left most state schools seriously under funded, turning out half-educated people some of whom it was claimed by industrialists, who couldn't even fill in a job application form. New Labour found that as the economy grew, this country didn't have the skills, the entrepreneurs, the business people or the trained and educated people to enable the economy to grow. Hence Blair's opinion on immigration.  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 15, 2024 12:51:55 GMT
Since the Heath regime at least social policy under the Conservatives has been hardly distinguishable in effect and scope from that of Labour, especially the Blairites. While Labour has enacted marquee legislation such as the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, the Tories have quietly got on with the business of promoting and supporting liberal, 'progressive' social engineering policies including the POA 86, single-sex marriage and the post-Brexit 'colour-blind' immigration regime.
There is nothing 'hard right' about the Tories, not even their dedication to neo-liberal economics, which is of course enthusiastically shared by Labour too.
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Post by bancroft on Jul 15, 2024 13:19:28 GMT
Blair should have been open at the time with his mission of letting all these people instead he did it by deceit.
Now we have knife crime out of control in big cities in England largely done by the children or grandchildren of these people being let in.
Now there are issues in Gaza some of this is coming back to bite them though in this last election it did not hurt them.
If Blair's address is ever leaked on-line he will be at risk of assasination.
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Post by see2 on Jul 15, 2024 14:08:35 GMT
I suppose I should give you credit for posting the obvious error, did you get a kick out of it? He never had a complete open door policy, he did have an open door policy for the FOM from new EU member countries. He did voice his opinion on increased immigration from abroad but the latter is not a policy, its an opinion. After Thatcher destroyed thousands of small engineering firms along with many other businesses as she added a couple of million people to the list of people without jobs, and introduced 'Self Employed' status that destroyed much of the apprenticeship on the job systems up and down the country. And introduced her "Grant Maintained" school system that left most state schools seriously under funded, turning out half-educated people some of whom it was claimed by industrialists, who couldn't even fill in a job application form. New Labour found that as the economy grew, this country didn't have the skills, the entrepreneurs, the business people or the trained and educated people to enable the economy to grow. Hence Blair's opinion on immigration. That ^^^ is an excellent indication of your approach to politics. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2024 14:10:41 GMT
Huh? 17 years and whilst in office he was constantly moralising as regards what we should be doing internationally. That's in your opinion. He did what was right at that time. Of course it is my opinion that does not stop him moralising, Islam is a religion of peace, we need to invade Iraq, we have to be open to all the EU and all the world. He now says Britain must be open but his manifestos said exactly the opposite. He was wrong at teh time and he is consistently wrong now. He is probably the most hated man in the UK for his two faced antics and Starmer would do well to steer clear as he is absolute poison to many people. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 15, 2024 14:31:15 GMT
Since the Heath regime at least social policy under the Conservatives has been hardly distinguishable in effect and scope from that of Labour, especially the Blairites. While Labour has enacted marquee legislation such as the Human Rights Act and the Equality Act, the Tories have quietly got on with the business of promoting and supporting liberal, 'progressive' social engineering policies including the POA 86, single-sex marriage and the post-Brexit 'colour-blind' immigration regime. There is nothing 'hard right' about the Tories, not even their dedication to neo-liberal economics, which is of course enthusiastically shared by Labour too. Ha ha ha, Putting millions out of work, destroying the State Education system, increasing the number of families living in relative poverty. That's the real world of Thatcherism. She even started her programme with lies blaming trade unions and nationalisation as the cause of the poor state the country was in. I'm referring to the hard-right of Thatcherism, not to the Tories per se. The Tories have their own problem in still trying to conserve the privileges of the extremely rich which IMO comes before the people and the country. AS for Neo Liberalism, picked up by Thatcher encouraged by Pinochet's use, turned out under Thatcher to be an open door for wealth for those working in the Stock Exchange. Thatcher's ideology was supported by north sea oil and gas, which she privatised in 1989 a decision that has probably cost the economy trillions of dollars by now. Labour were misled by the Banks and Financial Services, which were making millions of pounds which turned out to be worthless. But at least Labour managed to rescue the NHS and State education from the big black economic holes left in by Thatcher. Post script. New Labour inherited 3million children living in relative poverty, Starmer it seems has inherited 4.3m children living in poverty. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 15, 2024 14:36:09 GMT
That's in your opinion. He did what was right at that time. Of course it is my opinion that does not stop him moralising, Islam is a religion of peace, we need to invade Iraq, we have to be open to all the EU and all the world. He now says Britain must be open but his manifestos said exactly the opposite. He was wrong at teh time and he is consistently wrong now. He is probably the most hated man in the UK for his two faced antics and Starmer would do well to steer clear as he is absolute poison to many people. Probably hated because of people like yourself, misled by false and dishonest propaganda, who distort history to fit in with their extreme learnt bias. ^^^ You should be ashamed of yourself. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2024 14:42:46 GMT
Of course it is my opinion that does not stop him moralising, Islam is a religion of peace, we need to invade Iraq, we have to be open to all the EU and all the world. He now says Britain must be open but his manifestos said exactly the opposite. He was wrong at teh time and he is consistently wrong now. He is probably the most hated man in the UK for his two faced antics and Starmer would do well to steer clear as he is absolute poison to many people. Probably hated because of people like yourself, misled by false and dishonest propaganda, who distort history to fit in with their extreme learnt bias. ^^^ You should be ashamed of yourself. Huh which points you highlighted were inaccurate? He penned many articles after 911 stating clearly that 911 was nothing to do with true Islam. He also did say we need to invade Iraq otherwise why did we go in? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 15, 2024 14:54:29 GMT
Probably hated because of people like yourself, misled by false and dishonest propaganda, who distort history to fit in with their extreme learnt bias. ^^^ You should be ashamed of yourself. Huh which points you highlighted were inaccurate? He penned many articles after 911 stating clearly that 911 was nothing to do with true Islam. He also did say we need to invade Iraq otherwise why did we go in? Islam the religion is a religion of peace, although IMO it is a religion that is supposed to be at peace with other Muslims. Islam the religion is flawed because it insists in self-indoctrination every day which gives learnt religious FEELINGs priority over the rationalising and logical part of the mind. The invasion of Iraq was a legal, and perceived to be necessary invasion, after Saddam had still not complied with the 1991 ceasefire agreement he signed up to. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 15, 2024 15:44:24 GMT
The Daily Mail article is half lies, and as one would expect from The Daily Mail "half truths", written in such a way to pull the wool over readers eyes and to decieve people into thinking what The Daily Mail want them to think.
By far the largest inward migration of people into this country during Tony Blairs term of office was due to Freedom Of Movement, all 100% legitimate and legal, due to the terms of the treaty as signed by Francis Maude and Douglas Hurd, THE TWO CONSERVATIVE MINISTERS WHO SIGNED THE TREATY allowing Freedom Of Movement.
Never in history has nett immigration been as high as it has been over the last 3 years, but rather than specifically blame the Conservative government, we realise and understand the circumstances, in particular the war in Ukraine.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2024 16:02:16 GMT
Huh which points you highlighted were inaccurate? He penned many articles after 911 stating clearly that 911 was nothing to do with true Islam. He also did say we need to invade Iraq otherwise why did we go in? Islam the religion is a religion of peace, although IMO it is a religion that is supposed to be at peace with other Muslims. Islam the religion is flawed because it insists in self-indoctrination every day which gives learnt religious FEELINGs priority over the rationalising and logical part of the mind. The invasion of Iraq was a legal, and perceived to be necessary invasion, after Saddam had still not complied with the 1991 ceasefire agreement he signed up to. Which was my point as regards moralising, he referred to Islam as a peaceful religion and he referred us to the necessity of invading Iraq. Now we could argue all day as regards Islam and the Iraq war but it was his moralising that was the problem for us. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 15, 2024 16:10:32 GMT
The Daily Mail article is half lies, and as one would expect from The Daily Mail "half truths", written in such a way to pull the wool over readers eyes and to decieve people into thinking what The Daily Mail want them to think. By far the largest inward migration of people into this country during Tony Blairs term of office was due to Freedom Of Movement, all 100% legitimate and legal, due to the terms of the treaty as signed by Francis Maude and Douglas Hurd, THE TWO CONSERVATIVE MINISTERS WHO SIGNED THE TREATY allowing Freedom Of Movement. Never in history has nett immigration been as high as it has been over the last 3 years, but rather than specifically blame the Conservative government, we realise and understand the circumstances, in particular the war in Ukraine. He had the opportunity to restrict that FOM and no Parliament is bound by any previous government, Blair agreed with Maude and Hurd signing it and wholeheartedly followed their lead. Each government stands by what it does not what the previous governments did. You can point to 'circumstances' in the last few years but the Tories allowed the circumstances that saw record immigration to be in place. They changed things to bring it down but these were things that saw it zoom away in the first instance and realistically should never have been in place |
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