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Post by thomas on Jul 13, 2024 11:14:05 GMT
is it true labour are going to release offenders early as your prisons are overcrowded , while at the same time granting amnesty to asylum seekers as the great plan to clear the backlog of cases? Importing yet more criminals , when you can't deal with the existing bunch ? Yes. Isn't that what the Tories have just done too? Doesn't seen to be a lot of difference between them. hence why I dont vote either. screaming tory bad , or the tories did the same isnt going to save starmer over the course of this parliament though Andrew. |
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Post by witchfinder on Jul 13, 2024 11:17:43 GMT
The very first thing to point out to the Tory apologists is that there are no proposals or plans to build Carte Blanch upon Englands Green Belt.
The priority for house building will be (1) Brown sites and (2) Grey sites, a "Grey Site" is a term which refers to "areas of unattractive or poor-quality green belt land" of which there is a fair amount.
Previous governments, includin Labour governments, but especially over the last 14 years have failed to deliver anywhere near enough homes, and the new government insists that they are going to change this.
The last 14 years of Tory government has been particularly disastrous when it comes to Social Housing, affordable homes to rent, with huge cuts to both funding and the numbers of homes built, the Tories have literally created a problem, just as they created the Prisons Problem.
I only hope the new government IS serious, and does build the hundreds of thousands of homes needed, and that NIMBY's are swept aside.
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Post by patman post on Jul 13, 2024 11:27:00 GMT
Full Fact has added some interesting info to this ongoing discussion: Research by the University of Sheffield suggests that “less than 6% of the UK is urban”, using data from 2012.
5.3% of the UK land surface is ‘discontinuous urban fabric’, according to the research—these include areas like suburbs around cities, rural towns and built up areas with lots of gardens, parks and planted areas. Around 0.1% was ‘continuous urban fabric’—areas with buildings and roads covering more than 80% of land surface.
That would mean that 94% of UK land isn’t urban. Analysis of the report by the BBC suggested that 5.9% of the UK is built on and another 2.5% is “green urban”—including parks, cemeteries and private estates. That would suggest around 92% of the UK isn’t built on or urban. This may have been what the audience member was referring to.
This doesn’t mean that the rest of the land in the UK is free to build on. 29% is pastures, 27% is non-irrigated arable land (or land where crops are planted), 24% is forest and other natural land (such as beaches or moors), and 11% is wetlands.
But new homes also need additional infrastructure and services. So it seems surprising that over 1 million unoccupied houses already exist where, I guess it can be assumed, utilities are already there. A report from the Local Government Association highlights this seemingly ignored source of housing:
The number of long-term empty homes has increased nationally by nearly 10 per cent over the past five years, the equivalent of just over one per cent of the country’s housing stock, a new report commissioned by the Local Government Association reveals today.
The data shows that more than one million properties across England in 2022 were unoccupied (4.01 per cent of all dwellings), an increase of nearly 60,000 homes since 2018.
There are currently more than one million people on council housing waiting lists and 104,000 households living in temporary accommodation. Even bringing just 10% of these empty homes back into use could help to find permanent homes for these households in temporary accommodation.www.local.gov.uk/about/news/empty-homes-england-rise-nearly-10-cent-five-years |
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Post by thomas on Jul 13, 2024 11:35:14 GMT
Full Fact has added some interesting info to this ongoing discussion: Research by the University of Sheffield suggests that “less than 6% of the UK is urban”, using data from 2012.
5.3% of the UK land surface is ‘discontinuous urban fabric’, according to the research—these include areas like suburbs around cities, rural towns and built up areas with lots of gardens, parks and planted areas. Around 0.1% was ‘continuous urban fabric’—areas with buildings and roads covering more than 80% of land surface.
That would mean that 94% of UK land isn’t urban. Analysis of the report by the BBC suggested that 5.9% of the UK is built on and another 2.5% is “green urban”—including parks, cemeteries and private estates. That would suggest around 92% of the UK isn’t built on or urban. This may have been what the audience member was referring to.
irrelevant nonsense. Much of the uk is unsuitable to build upon , especially scotland , and you need a certain amount of land to sustain human population in terms of food and water. do you want more new build estates on floodplains ? England has a population similar to France, but can fit inside France five times over. Scientists are saying this lack of land and too many humans are the very reasons behind why the human race is going to peak at 12 billion in the coming decades and start falling. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 13, 2024 11:36:06 GMT
As the OP says: Say goodby to "Englands Green and Pleasant Land". Shares in Britain’s biggest housebuilders jumped on Friday amid hopes Labour’s plan to ramp up construction on the green belt will deliver a boost to the industry.
The party’s landslide election victory has cleared the way for a raft of changes that will make life easier for developers, City analysts have predicted.
Optimism across the sector led to shares in Barratt, Britain’s biggest house builder by volume, surging 1.2pc, while shares in rivals Persimmon and Taylor Wimpey rose by 2pc and 1.4pc respectively.
In a note to clients on Friday morning, analysts at Investec said they expected Sir Keir Starmer to pursue “some quick wins” before turning to bigger changes that will help him deliver a promise to build 1.5m new homes.
This is initially expected to mean reinstating local authority housing targets and rules that strengthen “the presumption in favour of sustainable development”, Investec’s Aynsley Lammin and Lewis Roxburgh said.
They added: “This should result in a short-term easing of the planning system to support supply. Beyond this we would expect more structural reform of planning, such as taking a more ‘strategic approach’ to the green belt.www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/07/05/labours-bid-build-green-belt-boosts-housebuilders/Anyone who thinks big business and vested interests are not going to pressure this government to build houses and wind turbines on greenbelt land, are kidding themselves. It's going to happen. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 13, 2024 11:39:13 GMT
The very first thing to point out to the Tory apologists is that there are no proposals or plans to build Carte Blanch upon Englands Green Belt. The priority for house building will be (1) Brown sites and (2) Grey sites, a "Grey Site" is a term which refers to "areas of unattractive or poor-quality green belt land" of which there is a fair amount. Previous governments, includin Labour governments, but especially over the last 14 years have failed to deliver anywhere near enough homes, and the new government insists that they are going to change this. The last 14 years of Tory government has been particularly disastrous when it comes to Social Housing, affordable homes to rent, with huge cuts to both funding and the numbers of homes built, the Tories have literally created a problem, just as they created the Prisons Problem. I only hope the new government IS serious, and does build the hundreds of thousands of homes needed, and that NIMBY's are swept aside. Englands trade deficit is already horrendous , and you want to flood your country with even more people , meaning you will be relying on Scottish gas oil and electricity , welsh water ,in short import everything you need to sustain a massive overpopulation ? You say social housing , the tories historically built more social housing under thatcher than you did in your previous terms in government. Your current social housing policy for England is built on a wing and a prayer that private enterprise build them as a favour for you. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 13, 2024 11:45:03 GMT
The very first thing to point out to the Tory apologists is that there are no proposals or plans to build Carte Blanch upon Englands Green Belt. The priority for house building will be (1) Brown sites and (2) Grey sites, a "Grey Site" is a term which refers to "areas of unattractive or poor-quality green belt land" of which there is a fair amount. Previous governments, includin Labour governments, but especially over the last 14 years have failed to deliver anywhere near enough homes, and the new government insists that they are going to change this. The last 14 years of Tory government has been particularly disastrous when it comes to Social Housing, affordable homes to rent, with huge cuts to both funding and the numbers of homes built, the Tories have literally created a problem, just as they created the Prisons Problem. I only hope the new government IS serious, and does build the hundreds of thousands of homes needed, and that NIMBY's are swept aside. You say social housing , the tories historically built more social housing under thatcher than you did in your previous terms in government. Your current social housing policy for England is built on a wing and a prayer that private enterprise build them as a favour for you. See I knew it you really do care about us in good old England Or Maybe not lol   |
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Post by thomas on Jul 13, 2024 11:50:17 GMT
Englands trade deficit is already horrendous , and you want to flood your country with even more people , meaning you will be relying on Scottish gas oil and electricity , welsh water ,in short import everything you need to sustain a massive overpopulation ?You say social housing , the tories historically built more social housing under thatcher than you did in your previous terms in government. Your current social housing policy for England is built on a wing and a prayer that private enterprise build them as a favour for you. See I knew it you really do care about us in good old England Or Maybe not lol Haven't you seen the discussion over on the Scottish threads? Im a fairly pragmatic guy , and can see every cloud and its silver lining. Self evidently every single self respecting scot will be wanting Spain to win , apart from a few rangers fans and unionist nut jobs , but if England win , it's going to do wonder for Scottish independence support.  As for the trade deficit , im simply trying to help explain why a country that isnt self sufficient in just about every manner , it's not the best idea to flood it further with more people. Sadly labour and its supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch . |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 13, 2024 12:02:52 GMT
See I knew it you really do care about us in good old England Or Maybe not lol Haven't you seen the discussion over on the Scottish threads? Im a fairly pragmatic guy , and can see every cloud and its silver lining. Self evidently every single self respecting scot will be wanting Spain to win , apart from a few rangers fans and unionist nut jobs , but if England win , it's going to do wonder for Scottish independence support. As for the trade deficit , im simply trying to help explain why a country that isnt self sufficient in just about every manner , it's not the best idea to flood it further with more people. Sadly labour and its supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch . Thomas it was just a lighthearted joke hence the at the end. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 13, 2024 12:05:35 GMT
Full Fact has added some interesting info to this ongoing discussion: Research by the University of Sheffield suggests that “less than 6% of the UK is urban”, using data from 2012.
5.3% of the UK land surface is ‘discontinuous urban fabric’, according to the research—these include areas like suburbs around cities, rural towns and built up areas with lots of gardens, parks and planted areas. Around 0.1% was ‘continuous urban fabric’—areas with buildings and roads covering more than 80% of land surface.
That would mean that 94% of UK land isn’t urban. Analysis of the report by the BBC suggested that 5.9% of the UK is built on and another 2.5% is “green urban”—including parks, cemeteries and private estates. That would suggest around 92% of the UK isn’t built on or urban. This may have been what the audience member was referring to.
irrelevant nonsense. Much of the uk is unsuitable to build upon , especially scotland , and you need a certain amount of land to sustain human population in terms of food and water. do you want more new build estates on floodplains ? England has a population similar to France, but can fit inside France five times over. Scientists are saying this lack of land and too many humans are the very reasons behind why the human race is going to peak at 12 billion in the coming decades and start falling. The UK cannot sustain itself in food or energy, nor does it need to build on much of its land. Even doubling what housing takes up now would amount to less than an additional 2%.
France can more than support itself in both food and energy, and has plenty left to export — a good reason to keep onside with our nearest neighbour.
UK residents currently amount to less than 1% of the total world population, and its birthrate is dropping below replacement levels...
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Post by thomas on Jul 13, 2024 12:08:02 GMT
irrelevant nonsense. Much of the uk is unsuitable to build upon , especially scotland , and you need a certain amount of land to sustain human population in terms of food and water. do you want more new build estates on floodplains ? England has a population similar to France, but can fit inside France five times over. Scientists are saying this lack of land and too many humans are the very reasons behind why the human race is going to peak at 12 billion in the coming decades and start falling. The UK cannot sustain itself in food or energy,
rubbish. England is the country with the main problem. Scotland can feed fuel and power itself five times over , and still have enough left to export .We export five times per head of population than what England does , and there is more water in Loch Ness , than in the whole of England and Wales combined. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 13, 2024 12:15:52 GMT
"UK residents currently amount to less than 1% of the total world population, and its birthrate is dropping below replacement levels..."
And yet the UK's population is growing faster than any other large country in Europe. By mid-century it is projected to have a larger population than Germany. Any idea why that might be coming about?
And just to note, every hectare of useable land that is used to house these new people is a hectare less to grow the food they need to sustain themselves.
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Post by wapentake on Jul 13, 2024 12:32:19 GMT
See I knew it you really do care about us in good old England Or Maybe not lol Haven't you seen the discussion over on the Scottish threads? Im a fairly pragmatic guy , and can see every cloud and its silver lining. Self evidently every single self respecting scot will be wanting Spain to win , apart from a few rangers fans and unionist nut jobs , but if England win , it's going to do wonder for Scottish independence support. As for the trade deficit , im simply trying to help explain why a country that isnt self sufficient in just about every manner , it's not the best idea to flood it further with more people. Sadly labour and its supporters aren't the brightest of the bunch . Aah see what you mean,just nipped over and see the above had already been posted. |
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Post by patman post on Jul 13, 2024 12:38:17 GMT
"UK residents currently amount to less than 1% of the total world population, and its birthrate is dropping below replacement levels..." And yet the UK's population is growing faster than any other large country in Europe. By mid-century it is projected to have a larger population than Germany. Any idea why that might be coming about? And just to note, every hectare of useable land that is used to house these new people is a hectare less to grow the food they need to sustain themselves. European countries which saw the greatest population growth in 2023 were Luxembourg, Norway, and Ireland.
I took one inhabitant out of Norway and brought her to the UK — so I tried to even things up, and lighten London's complexion.
But what useable land is being used for additional housing? I thought the focus was on brownfield and non-green gray field sites...
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Post by Dan Dare on Jul 13, 2024 12:53:52 GMT
As the OP notes, the Labour government appears to be commited to building on the Green Belt. But that aside, any land that could be used for agricultural production is usable land, even if it isn't currently used as such. There is very little land in England at least that isn't usable.
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