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Post by steppenwolf on Jul 10, 2024 6:31:18 GMT
I think we should try the "Alternative Vote" system. So you can list several candidates in order of preference. If your first choice doesn't win then the count is done with your second choice etc. This means that you can effectively vote tactically without having to make complex calculations. Or, if you don't like it, you can just vote for one candidate.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 10, 2024 8:04:15 GMT
Don't try to wrap unrelated issues in with PR. Stick to the topic and do not ramble. The election was unrepresentative. Reform deserved more seats as did the Greens. I wonder if that would make any difference. The Tories have loads of seats, but still no say. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 10, 2024 8:28:38 GMT
Don't try to wrap unrelated issues in with PR. Stick to the topic and do not ramble. The election was unrepresentative. Reform deserved more seats as did the Greens. I wonder if that would make any difference. The Tories have loads of seats, but still no say. whatever system we try , surely must be better than the unrepresentative fptp that gave33.7 % of the vote 64% of seats. In the history of modern uk elections , and indeed across Western Europe , I can't find a more unrepresentative vote in modern history since universal suffrage. 80% of the uk electorate did not vote labour , yet they got 64 % of seats and a landslide. It's an international embarrassment. the sensible thing would have been for labour to get a comparable third of seats , be the largest party , and no one would have batted an eyelid. All that has happened is its making more and more sit at home , not take part in politics "as whats the point" , and long term , thoroughly damaging politics. Of course , clowns in new labour and to a lesser extent the tories dont care , as all they can think of is short term gain , and dont care a jot about the massive long term damage. Starmer is going to be challenged incessantly , more than any other government and prime minister , on his lack of public support and mandate. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 8:39:32 GMT
Don't try to wrap unrelated issues in with PR. Stick to the topic and do not ramble. The election was unrepresentative. Reform deserved more seats as did the Greens. I wonder if that would make any difference. The Tories have loads of seats, but still no say. They have some say, they can still propose legislation to the house. They can still debate legislation, scrutinise it and recommend amendments. If a Tory MP made an Early Day Motion, or a Private Member's bill the government agree with, but hadn't thought of, that's a power they still have. A power all MPs including the Greens have. In fact even independent MPs have that power. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 10, 2024 17:01:01 GMT
I wonder if that would make any difference. The Tories have loads of seats, but still no say. whatever system we try , surely must be better than the unrepresentative fptp that gave33.7 % of the vote 64% of seats. In the history of modern uk elections , and indeed across Western Europe , I can't find a more unrepresentative vote in modern history since universal suffrage. 80% of the uk electorate did not vote labour , yet they got 64 % of seats and a landslide. It's an international embarrassment. the sensible thing would have been for labour to get a comparable third of seats , be the largest party , and no one would have batted an eyelid. All that has happened is its making more and more sit at home , not take part in politics "as whats the point" , and long term , thoroughly damaging politics. Of course , clowns in new labour and to a lesser extent the tories dont care , as all they can think of is short term gain , and dont care a jot about the massive long term damage. Starmer is going to be challenged incessantly , more than any other government and prime minister , on his lack of public support and mandate. I'm in favour of PR provided we separate our local council from our MP's. Trouble is its only ever the losers that call for change. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 11, 2024 7:42:09 GMT
whatever system we try , surely must be better than the unrepresentative fptp that gave33.7 % of the vote 64% of seats. In the history of modern uk elections , and indeed across Western Europe , I can't find a more unrepresentative vote in modern history since universal suffrage. 80% of the uk electorate did not vote labour , yet they got 64 % of seats and a landslide. It's an international embarrassment. the sensible thing would have been for labour to get a comparable third of seats , be the largest party , and no one would have batted an eyelid. All that has happened is its making more and more sit at home , not take part in politics "as whats the point" , and long term , thoroughly damaging politics. Of course , clowns in new labour and to a lesser extent the tories dont care , as all they can think of is short term gain , and dont care a jot about the massive long term damage. Starmer is going to be challenged incessantly , more than any other government and prime minister , on his lack of public support and mandate. I'm in favour of PR provided we separate our local council from our MP's. Trouble is it's only ever the losers that call for change. sorry but that is nonsense. Ive been an advocate against Westminster FPTP system for over twenty years. I well remember Blairs similar stitch up in 2001. Even when the snp won 56/59 seats in 2015 . I dont think anyone takes criticism from remainers seriously though ,about "losers whinging" , who repeatedly whinged that 52% wasn't a big enough win in the Brexit referendum ,on a massively high turnout , and a simple yes no question , now trying to ignore a party getting 33.7%/ 64% seats on the second lowest turnout in modern uk electoral history. It's not losers calling for change that's the problem here......it's losers ( no mandate labour) getting an unrepresentative amount of seats comparable to vote share that the problem. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 11, 2024 9:29:16 GMT
… but Labour are in power … admittedly almost by ‘default’ … with a working Majority … So hardly “losers” ?? ….and the Tories are where Labour were at the last Election … closer to extinction than any time in their history. No??… I think we should try the "Alternative Vote" system. So you can list several candidates in order of preference. If your first choice doesn't win then the count is done with your second choice etc. This means that you can effectively vote tactically without having to make complex calculations. Or, if you don't like it, you can just vote for one candidate. I quite like the idea voting for the top three least worst Parties … but prefer to vote for the Party that can present and field the best EXPERT TEAM … that is TRUSTWORTHY …. and will deliver 100% on it’s promises. Here is Jonathan Pie … back on form … summing up nicely … and succinctly … what most of us are thinking and feeling! …. but he does flannel over the Reform impact on this Election … and like most Lefties … he is a million miles away from what Farage is all about … and his incredible influence … that no other leader in the UK commands … across the Internet. … the main political discussion platform of the modern era. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 13, 2024 13:38:49 GMT
I'm in favour of PR provided we separate our local council from our MP's. Trouble is it's only ever the losers that call for change. sorry but that is nonsense. Ive been an advocate against Westminster FPTP system for over twenty years. I well remember Blairs similar stitch up in 2001. Even when the snp won 56/59 seats in 2015 . I dont think anyone takes criticism from remainers seriously though ,about "losers whinging" , who repeatedly whinged that 52% wasn't a big enough win in the Brexit referendum ,on a massively high turnout , and a simple yes no question , now trying to ignore a party getting 33.7%/ 64% seats on the second lowest turnout in modern uk electoral history. It's not losers calling for change that's the problem here......it's losers ( no mandate labour) getting an unrepresentative amount of seats comparable to vote share that the problem. I meant parties not individuals. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 14, 2024 11:51:06 GMT
If nobody is too upset about taking ‘Party Politics’ out of Local Authority administrations …. and won’t miss the various ‘corruptions’ it can bring at a local level ….
…… how about the idea of removing Party Politics from our National situation too??
… where corruption has been honed to such a level … that foreign powers and Religions now bully us easily down pathways to war and destruction, mass murder and economic ruin. … simply by hijacking our once respected MSM.
Surely we now need a drastically revised Government System immune from all these corruptions … a radical rethink that completely trashes the ‘old’ System … and reconfigures new efficiency and expertise into a new framework … that has secure SAFEGUARDS in place.
EXPERT TEAMS / standing for a Parliament with DIFFERENT VISIONARY options (simply presented)for the indigenous population to VOTE on.
Transients and new arrivals will arguably not get a VOTE which might destabilise the culture and values of a Mother Country.
Do Members think the old Party System is completely broken now?? (the poor voter turn-out confirms it is) … so that question was answered …
Do Members think a new political framework could work within the old Party System ….?? Labour, Tory, Liberal Democrat, Green.
To me these are Capitalist/Globalist-funded and owned ventures now … and no longer relevant to the new System that needs to replace it.
A System totally under the umbrella of tax-payer funding … where those funds (ideally - in a non-corrupt Expert Team ) cannot be highjacked by Globalists to fight their foreign wars and World Domination ambitions.
Tax-payer Funds/Profits that solely serve the indigenous interests of the tax-payers living as National residents in this Country and their Communities.
It’s the CORRUPTION within the Party Political System that has seen the haemorrhaging of immense wealth from our Nation since WW2 … tax-payers wealth going offshore to swarms of immigrant families living abroad … and to tax-havens that the Globalist tax-dodgers/EU/Tory Party/Cameron Set have nurtured.
… the sooner we can stop this haemorrhaging … the sooner we can REBUILD BRITAIN and our Communities to be on par and as healthy as the wealthiest in the EU that turned us into a Third World power under 40 years of bullying …
Brexit gives us a chance for this much needed drastic political reform …. a chance to rebuild a foundation for a new Empire that could become a future major force for PEACE and TRADE in the World. …. now that America, Israel and NATO are a spent force with no morality attached.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 11:55:29 GMT
Speaks out about elected governments never says anything about Imperialist war mongering dictators.
Double standards ahoy.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 14, 2024 12:10:14 GMT
Speaks out about elected governments never says anything about Imperialist war mongering dictators. Double standards ahoy. Healing our broken Democracies - run and manipulated by Imperialist war-mongering Dictators - (America, Soros, Israel, NATO/EU, Globalists and their MSM) … is precisely what I’m addressing here … if you really think about it. No?? Putin’s popularity doesn’t come from ‘low voter turn out’ or a rigged ballot box …. It is more important for Westerners to worry about fixing crumbling anarchic Community infrastructures … than be concerned about local Russian spats with neo-Nazi neighbours.🙄 |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 14, 2024 12:12:36 GMT
You won't say a bad word about Russia, China, North Korea, some of the biggest human rights abusers on earth. Why? No Jews to blame? Putin murdered the opposition. He didn't just rig the ballots, there was no competition left alive. Every rival from Sergei Yushenkov to Alexei Navalny have been imprisoned or killed both Yushenkov and Navalny were murdered. And now Vladimir Kara-Murza has been arrested, imprisoned on false charges, and it looks like what happened to Navalny will happen to him too.
Putin is not popular and not elected, but Russia has no choice, it is a dictatorship.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 18, 2024 20:49:25 GMT
This thread is about reforming the UK Government Election and Administrative System … let’s try and stay on topic.
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