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Post by sheepy on Jul 7, 2024 9:13:20 GMT
They might even find every excuse in the book to keep things as they are and put up their quangos as the gauge of all things. Quango's are a dirty word to most business. They sell themselves as experts then spend their time asking you for prompts. I suspect they behave the same advising government and the public sector. Never think the populists came down with last rain shower, we are always a step ahead. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 7, 2024 10:07:23 GMT
Thanks to ALL for giving this serious feedback. Highlighting …. 1, Councils. Yes 100% 2, Experts. Something similar. Each party consult the team of recognised experts (This stops parties seeking out those to support their view) The experts present the case to parliament along with recommended changes (A bit like the EU commission.) 2a, Budget. I think this is an excellent idea that all parties get a fixed budget. For me, the elected government present a policy change to each qualifying opposition party for discussion. 2b, I would use this for all major changes, not just at election time. 3, Disagree on the 2 week campaign, many voters with busy lives need a bit longer to consider the proposals being made. I'd increase to one month. 4, Funding. This doesn't work for me, who decides which party has the best experts and gets to present, and how do new parties get noticed? ++++++++++++ 1)Glad you agree that Local Authorities should be apolitical … PR could gridlock things at a Local Authority level. Locally we should concentrate on having the best respected experts at the top of their game to manage Administration … solely funded/well-salaried by the tax-payer … to avoid corrupt individuals and quangos trying to manipulate things locally … for example : Planning Applications.
(There will be a lot of resistance to this Proposal from rich powerful businessmen who have made ‘a killing’ doing this on Councils across the Country … often turning Britain into an architectural nightmare … with their pariah obsession to destroy old historic buildings that should have been listed and preserved.It is important to recognise that a National Strategy to lead this Country into the Future … generally longer term overview planning and international liaisons … is mostly very different from a Local Authority Administration … and could now more readily embrace 15-20 year strategies into our National/International Projects … ++++++++++ 2a)Nationally/Internationally …My proposal was for the House of Commons to be filled with Groups of experts voted in by the Electorate to be in control over 4 years to implement their strategy the Electorate agreed …. unhindered by Opposition Parties that mostly generate hot air, distraction … or sometimes boycott … don’t show up for very important debates at all. Eg: related to the Pandemic … that killed hundreds of thousands of people. Irresponsible … a CRIME perpetrated by The Whip System … ALL a waste of tax-payers money, tbh. +++++++++ 2b) The Government chosen by the Electorate … made up of teams of experts, committee-briefed by more experts … are there to deal with the changing situations in the World - the Public gets open consultation on important issues … and a referendum VOTE on v. important matters … decisions like leaving the EU again … ending the war in Ukraine … leaving NATO … returning the MOD to be solely a defence force for the UK and Commonwealth only …. leaving International military matters to a supported UN Force. But firstly - a reformed Media …. better hosted open public discussion on topics on all channels … not just constricted and throttled by a State/covert underhand Religious-controlled corrupt BBC and it’s ‘joke flagship debate pantomime’ - Question Time. ++++++++++ 3) Am happy with 3 weeks max. … be aware Public apathy and VOTER disillusion is strong right now … so dragging things out for a month is too too much … Public and Experts need to be on board and enthused to perform … not get dragged down by a long boring procedure for many - that will drive them away … leaving us with poor choices … and no skilled people. 4)How many top level crack teams of experts do you envisage being in contention to do a PROFESSIONAL TV presentation and canvass countrywide … to sell their ‘vision’?? I cannot see there will be many more than 10 serious proposals to form a new Government. …. Looking at the current State of the Nation … true experts at Admin in the UK have been in short supply … since Brexit exposed the failings of TOP CLASS Management … grown FAT, LAZY and SELFISH after 40 years with noses in the trough of EU Corruption. This seems pretty well thought out at first glance. I think there are problems with straight PR. Reform for instance, got a small number of voters in each constituency which means the people of each constituency don't want them in power, but overall they got a lot of votes, so should some constituencies lose out on having the MP they want to create a space for a Reform MP or should we have even more MP's (NB; I'm not suggesting you are talking of PR, I'm pointing out the faults with that system) I can tell you why you are up against it before you start if you like, the people who hold the real power won't like the thought of some upstart causing problems for them in parliament, while you have the current system it doesn't matter who governs as we have just seen, they pull all the strings, if you start putting in place systems that can change that, it will go down very badly, as when they cannot control democracy it turns very sour, as it has been since 2016. Yes, this Proposal will meet stiff Opposition … from the corrupt, greedy people ruining our Country today. … we will have to debate strongly … and forcefully to get this implemented/ unadulterated …. Some will wiggle and bitch minor objections why it will be “impossible” … and “won’t work” …. “a total disaster” … that will be the sort of guff that will come out of those who already manipulate us … from being well-administered …. from every angle . …. but like Brexit … in time …. even this RADICAL BOLD CHANGE could prove the best move we make … to ensure the FUTURE of this Country. I feel it is as seriously important as that …. because our UK Management is pretty poorly right now. … EXPERT and SKILLS DEFICIENT.🤔 |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 7, 2024 10:46:22 GMT
I only pointed out what you are up against, the populists no longer keep a high profile constantly saving the electorate from themselves, you have to learn to do it for yourselves.
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Post by sheepy on Jul 7, 2024 11:10:59 GMT
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 8, 2024 6:58:07 GMT
From your link … “ Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has been criticised for the UK's "unfair" voting system after wiping out Rishi Sunak and the Conservatives in the latest General Election.
The Labour leader was first-past-the-post as he secured a majority with over 400 seats, knocking the Tories down to just 121 seats.” The reality is rather different to the MSN (Bill Gates) interpretation. It was Reform that did the damage - not Starmer and the Labour Party - who polled v.badly on a very low turnout % … Farage wiped out the Conservatives almost single-handedly … knocking the Tories down to just 121 seats. In the short 6 weeks when he threw his hat in the ring, declared he was standing, attracted the huge amount of last minute sponsorship for the Party to suddenly field 609 out of a possible 631 seats … He gave the Party an incredibly rapid ‘shake up’, huge Media presence - fended off a number of v.nasty smear campaigns, flushing out a number of BBC/CH4 ‘sleeper saboteurs’ who had crept thru a last minute v. rushed selection process. I don’t think there are many people in the history of UK political campaigning that have suddenly thrown their hat in the ring … and done so much damage to a MAINSTREAM UK Party as powerful as the Tories. It was quite incredible … I don’t think the MSM are intelligent enough to compute the significance …. especially the anarchist Left … and it eats at them - makes them spit bile - that it was Farage … the FOX that set himself amongst the CHICKENS in the EU Parliament under Junker’s jackboot. He single-handedly shook up the whole of Europe into analysing what the Zionist Posse were destroying … and defunding from the EU Project. … attacking indigenous Europeans with broken-border policies and ‘gravy train’ levels of corruption. ++++++ If you look at just 2 regions I had a casual interest in …  the result showed the same pattern … which I guessing rolled out pretty much all over the the Country … REFORM coming a close 3rd behind the Tories.  Imagine the result if Farage hadn’t entered the fray. … MAYBE …the Tories could still be in power … marginally?? … That illustrates how badly Starmer and the Labour Party performed in Opposition for over a decade. … after a Plandemic, a war, sanctions, an energy crisis, a border/invasion crisis etc … and a genocide in Israel … which rubber-stamped the justice of Corbyn’s support for the Palestinian Cause. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 7:11:25 GMT
The problem with 'experts' is that recent history has shown that experts often get things wrong. The experts were wrong over Brexit, wrong over Covid and wrong over European energy policy.
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2024 7:39:48 GMT
The problem with 'experts' is that recent history has shown that experts often get things wrong. The experts were wrong over Brexit, wrong over Covid and wrong over European energy policy. Polls were wrong over Brexit. Not experts. And the polls were only a small way out. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 10:48:49 GMT
The problem with 'experts' is that recent history has shown that experts often get things wrong. The experts were wrong over Brexit, wrong over Covid and wrong over European energy policy. Polls were wrong over Brexit. Not experts. And the polls were only a small way out. The experts in the Treasury were totally wrong over Brexit - or are they the wrong kind of experts? |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2024 15:11:29 GMT
Polls were wrong over Brexit. Not experts. And the polls were only a small way out. The experts in the Treasury were totally wrong over Brexit - or are they the wrong kind of experts? Totally wrong? Been there done this. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 15:18:57 GMT
The experts in the Treasury were totally wrong over Brexit - or are they the wrong kind of experts? Totally wrong? Been there done this. I can remind you that trolling is not allowed in Mind Zone. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2024 16:39:03 GMT
Totally wrong? Been there done this. I can remind you that trolling is not allowed in Mind Zone. Is it trolling to say we've discussed all this before and got nowhere? If so apologies, but I still have no desire to discuss it all again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2024 17:32:04 GMT
I can remind you that trolling is not allowed in Mind Zone. Is it trolling to say we've discussed all this before and got nowhere? If so apologies, but I still have no desire to discuss it all again. Fine. Please do not troll instead. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2024 18:51:35 GMT
Is it trolling to say we've discussed all this before and got nowhere? If so apologies, but I still have no desire to discuss it all again. Fine. Please do not troll instead. OK. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Jul 10, 2024 5:52:57 GMT
So, … to summarise … It appears most people agree over the outline principle and fairness of this Proposal … which might just engineer really positive reforms our political system desperately needs right now … by taking Party Politics out of separate Local Authority Administration elections …
… and delivering effective PR to every Elector’s VOTE NATIONALLY …. encouraging them to get out and VOTE.
…. ALSO …. delivering a national Political Party of Experts … a Team selection …. where the elected team have a relatively uninterrupted 4 year run at delivering their vision for Britain without obstruction and blocking by Opposition Parties … reducing the Media Pantomime whipped up by malevolent forces over Administration … which drives the best talent away.
… A new Administration Team will still have the help and advice from Committees of experienced people … indigenous Nationals … and the occasional outside expert consultant… ALSO there will be a NEW stream-lined House of Lords set up … experienced esteemed veterans, Public Servants honoured and chosen yearly … sifted BY THE PUBLIC … NOT an appointment for Life - but chosen yearly on performance … AT THE END OF JANUARY EACH YEAR … fresh faces will replace dead wood …. chosen from a proposed list … People dedicated to steer the new Government Team … help them/advise against making the worst mistakes some Parties have pushed through over the years … that have damaged our economy, killed our servicemen … and broken our borders … made us vulnerable to crime, murder and terrorism.
Eg. war in Iraq and Ukraine. Sanctions etc
Without an active Opposition … these extra safeguards would need to be in place … along with a National vote on certain key issues … like the Swiss have … over important decisions … like going to war, rejoining the EU … more effective border control, fast track deportation etc …. possibly even whether we need a ‘humane drug euthanasia policy’ for murderers/certain v.serious crimes? … similar to China … as our rapidly growing population gets harder and harder to police.
Maybe even Dignitas-style options for the elderly/critically sick need to be now considered in a modern Society … to stop that suffering … give them a ‘humane’ EXIT.
What do people think about future measures tackling those tough issues? … where there appears to be no action … because of Religious ownership of our MSM and bullying Left Wing anarchists/Mob Rule increasingly interfering in the Law+Order process … arguably destroying our Communities today, taking away FREE SPEECH, FREEDOMS … and choices?
Hopefully this reform Proposal will move towards ironing out a number of v.important issues.
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Post by Vinny on Jul 10, 2024 6:17:22 GMT
Don't try to wrap unrelated issues in with PR. Stick to the topic and do not ramble.
The election was unrepresentative.
Reform deserved more seats as did the Greens.
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