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Post by sheepy on Jul 5, 2024 8:25:33 GMT
But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
Did you say that back in 2019? I did. You can bet the rump of Tories will be a lot more interested with a word in the right ears. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 5, 2024 8:28:43 GMT
Reform four seats. Four too many. So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best Snake oil salesman? You’ve not been paying attention have you at the lies told for decades now. And if four is too many you show only contempt for those you disagree with but do you think a massive majority too many based on a poor turnout? Told you we were going to win the election, again. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 5, 2024 8:29:59 GMT
Starmer is far more like Blair than Corbyn, and certainly not far-left. An election will never be won by the far left or right, because people who hold those beliefs are by very definition on the fringes of politics and in a huge minority. The battleground for any political party is to gain the votes of the centrists, it’s why Corbyn failed, because he was seen as far-left. And it’s why Starmer & Blair before him won. Corbyn failed because the Blairite Centrists prevented him voicing his real opinion on the EU. Meaning Labour were then, as now unfortunately, "more of the Tory same". But with such a majority the PLP may have the balls to row-back on the centre-right Tory-lite shit, and become a genuine centre-left party. All The Bsst That may or may not be true but we have Europhiles in charge now and we know Starmer was an arch Remainer and will 'build' better relations with the EU which means that the UK may become a sort of Associate member of the EU with much alignment and effectively little non-alignment. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 8:33:04 GMT
But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
Did you say that back in 2019? I did. Yes. I've been saying it for years. |
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 5, 2024 8:35:48 GMT
So those lovely results so far: Labour - 9,660,081 (down from 10,269,051 in 2019) - 410 Seats Conservative - 6,755,953 (down from 13,966,454 in 2019) - 119 Seats Reform UK - 4,072,947 - 4 Seats Liberal Democrat - 3,487,568 (down from 3,696,419 in 2019) - 71 Seats So Labour, Lib Dems and Tories all down on their previous vote share. In December 2021 there were 46,560,452 parliamentary electoral registrations. So approximately 1 in 5 voted Labour and 4 out of 5 didn't. They may have a majority but with 20% of the vote they have no mandate. And Reforms vote share was 42% of Labours yet they gained just 1% of the seats. We do not live in a democracy. Cry more |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 8:37:09 GMT
But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims. In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system. Bring on PR. Not so sure, at least with our system people can get things done... But can they? The Tories spent most of the last 5 years arguing amongst themselves. If Sunak had wanted to get anything done, he'd have needed to look for support outside of his own party anyway. ...with PR most of the policies are compromises and watered down so in effect not much can happen... Which is no different to the last 14 years. ...Perhaps we live with FPTP because we know how moribund PR makes governments. And again, FPTP is no guarantee against that. QED. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 8:38:17 GMT
So those lovely results so far: Labour - 9,660,081 (down from 10,269,051 in 2019) - 410 Seats Conservative - 6,755,953 (down from 13,966,454 in 2019) - 119 Seats Reform UK - 4,072,947 - 4 Seats Liberal Democrat - 3,487,568 (down from 3,696,419 in 2019) - 71 Seats So Labour, Lib Dems and Tories all down on their previous vote share. In December 2021 there were 46,560,452 parliamentary electoral registrations. So approximately 1 in 5 voted Labour and 4 out of 5 didn't. They may have a majority but with 20% of the vote they have no mandate. And Reforms vote share was 42% of Labours yet they gained just 1% of the seats. We do not live in a democracy. Cry more Get your appropriate adult to explain it to you. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 5, 2024 8:39:40 GMT
8th time lucky for the Farage well there is turn up I can imagine there might be a few grinding their teeth this morning.
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Post by happyhornet3 on Jul 5, 2024 8:40:54 GMT
Get your appropriate adult to explain it to you. Will of the people. Labour means Labour! |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 5, 2024 8:42:51 GMT
Get your appropriate adult to explain it to you. Will of the people. Labour means Labour! Sure, I would be very careful what you say on behalf of the new Labour party by far the majority think they stink, and they haven't said or done a thing yet. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 5, 2024 8:43:27 GMT
So those lovely results so far: Labour - 9,660,081 (down from 10,269,051 in 2019) - 410 Seats Conservative - 6,755,953 (down from 13,966,454 in 2019) - 119 Seats Reform UK - 4,072,947 - 4 Seats Liberal Democrat - 3,487,568 (down from 3,696,419 in 2019) - 71 Seats So Labour, Lib Dems and Tories all down on their previous vote share. In December 2021 there were 46,560,452 parliamentary electoral registrations. So approximately 1 in 5 voted Labour and 4 out of 5 didn't. They may have a majority but with 20% of the vote they have no mandate. And Reforms vote share was 42% of Labours yet they gained just 1% of the seats. We do not live in a democracy. A win A Win lol especially a Landslide |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 8:44:07 GMT
Get your appropriate adult to explain it to you. Will of the people. Labour means Labour! 4 out of 5 people said: "No".
Labour means nothing.
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 5, 2024 8:44:49 GMT
Corbyn failed because the Blairite Centrists prevented him voicing his real opinion on the EU. Meaning Labour were then, as now unfortunately, "more of the Tory same". But with such a majority the PLP may have the balls to row-back on the centre-right Tory-lite shit, and become a genuine centre-left party. All The Bsst That may or may not be true but we have Europhiles in charge now and we know Starmer was an arch Remainer and will 'build' better relations with the EU which means that the UK may become a sort of Associate member of the EU with much alignment and effectively little non-alignment. Starmer has pretty firmly said no to a customs union, single market, or even freedom of movement. No way in hell is he going to make the UK an associate member - sadly. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 5, 2024 8:45:47 GMT
Will of the people. Labour means Labour! 4 out of 5 people said: "No".
Labour means nothing.
REFORM GOT WHOOOPED LOL |
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 5, 2024 8:46:19 GMT
Will of the people. Labour means Labour! 4 out of 5 people said: "No".
Labour means nothing.
4 out of 5?? How did you reach that number when they got 34% of the vote? |
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