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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 7:46:31 GMT
If voters think the Tories are bad, they then vote labour, how loony is that. A lot less looney than voting Reform. Labour would have to be the worst modern 1st world government ever to sink lower than the Tories. That might happen, Starmer has been dumb enough to cling to the sinking-ship of Tory Policy. Hopefully, with such a majority, more rational, left-wing politics can come to the fore. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 7:49:49 GMT
Starmer is far more like Blair than Corbyn, and certainly not far-left. An election will never be won by the far left or right, because people who hold those beliefs are by very definition on the fringes of politics and in a huge minority. The battleground for any political party is to gain the votes of the centrists, it’s why Corbyn failed, because he was seen as far-left. And it’s why Starmer & Blair before him won. Corbyn failed because the Blairite Centrists prevented him voicing his real opinion on the EU. Meaning Labour were then, as now unfortunately, "more of the Tory same". But with such a majority the PLP may have the balls to row-back on the centre-right Tory-lite shit, and become a genuine centre-left party. All The Bsst |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 7:51:20 GMT
Very hard to believe that if the Tories had held on for another six months, which they could have the result for them would have been even worse. It would be, Inflation and especially fuel bills are set to start rising again next Quarter. All The Best |
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Post by vlk on Jul 5, 2024 7:56:46 GMT
There's going to be the honeymoon-period of a few months after which many disgruntled voters will start calling Starmer a Tory with a red tie.
Just like last time.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 7:57:22 GMT
So those lovely results so far:
Labour - 9,660,081 (down from 10,269,051 in 2019) - 410 Seats
Conservative - 6,755,953 (down from 13,966,454 in 2019) - 119 Seats
Reform UK - 4,072,947 - 4 Seats
Liberal Democrat - 3,487,568 (down from 3,696,419 in 2019) - 71 Seats
So Labour, Lib Dems and Tories all down on their previous vote share.
In December 2021 there were 46,560,452 parliamentary electoral registrations.
So approximately 1 in 5 voted Labour and 4 out of 5 didn't.
They may have a majority but with 20% of the vote they have no mandate.
And Reforms vote share was 42% of Labours yet they gained just 1% of the seats.
We do not live in a democracy.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 5, 2024 8:02:36 GMT
If voters think the Tories are bad, they then vote labour, how loony is that. A lot less looney than voting Reform. Labour would have to be the worst modern 1st world government ever to sink lower than the Tories. That might happen, Starmer has been dumb enough to cling to the sinking-ship of Tory Policy. Hopefully, with such a majority, more rational, left-wing politics can come to the fore. All The Best We can only hope that the Reform members will ask the questions that the Tories will be unwilling to ask and that Labour did not ask when they had the chance. More rational left wing politics are what the Tories have been doing in the name of One Nation. Labour have the majority and no excuses not to deal effectively with all the problems. I think that they will be unable to achieve much of what they have said/hinted they will do but I think in four years time we will still have tens of thousands crossing the channel in small boats, deportations being fought in the courts at tremendous expense and amnesty after amnesty being declared on illegal migrants to fix the numbers. Remember Starmer was a defender of Ahu Qatada, a man that cost us millions, and his legal arguments then would be difficult for him to override now. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 5, 2024 8:07:16 GMT
A lot less looney than voting Reform. Labour would have to be the worst modern 1st world government ever to sink lower than the Tories. That might happen, Starmer has been dumb enough to cling to the sinking-ship of Tory Policy. Hopefully, with such a majority, more rational, left-wing politics can come to the fore. All The Best when they had the chance. More rational left wing politics are what the Tories have been doing in the name of One Nation. Labour have the majority and no excuses not to deal effectively with all the problems. I think that they will be unable to achieve much of what they have said/hinted they will do but I think in four years time we will still have tens of thousands crossing the channel in small boats, deportations being fought in the courts at tremendous expense and amnesty after amnesty being declared on illegal migrants to fix the numbers. Remember Starmer was a defender of Ahu Qatada, a man that cost us millions, and his legal arguments then would be difficult for him to override now. Well, at least 1 Reform MP can string a sentence together, so you might be lucky. All The Best |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 5, 2024 8:08:59 GMT
So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
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Post by sandypine on Jul 5, 2024 8:13:38 GMT
We can only hope that the Reform members will ask the questions that the Tories will be unwilling to ask and that Labour did not ask when they had the chance. More rational left wing politics are what the Tories have been doing in the name of One Nation. Labour have the majority and no excuses not to deal effectively with all the problems. I think that they will be unable to achieve much of what they have said/hinted they will do but I think in four years time we will still have tens of thousands crossing the channel in small boats, deportations being fought in the courts at tremendous expense and amnesty after amnesty being declared on illegal migrants to fix the numbers. Remember Starmer was a defender of Ahu Qatada, a man that cost us millions, and his legal arguments then would be difficult for him to override now. Well, at least 1 Reform MP can string a sentence together, so you might be lucky. All The Best Actually they seem a pretty erudite and articulate quartet, you may not like Anderson's accent but he knows what he is saying and Tice and the other chap, I forget his name, are not shrinking violets. So I think we are more than lucky in that respect. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 5, 2024 8:17:16 GMT
So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
Not so sure, at least with our system people can get things done, with PR most of the policies are compromises and watered down so in effect not much can happen. Perhaps we live with FPTP because we know how moribund PR makes governments. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 5, 2024 8:20:32 GMT
So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
Did you say that back in 2019? I did. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 5, 2024 8:21:51 GMT
The problem with voting left is that those that do never learn. Essentially it means a far left Britain will be like Lemmings jumping over the cliff. Its the end. Starmer is not far left. Jeez. He's centre left and not much of one at that. |
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Post by Totheleft on Jul 5, 2024 8:21:58 GMT
Starmer is far more like Blair than Corbyn, and certainly not far-left. An election will never be won by the far left or right, because people who hold those beliefs are by very definition on the fringes of politics and in a huge minority. The battleground for any political party is to gain the votes of the centrists, it’s why Corbyn failed, because he was seen as far-left. And it’s why Starmer & Blair before him won. Corbyn failed because the Blairite Centrists prevented him voicing his real opinion on the EU. Meaning Labour were then, as now unfortunately, "more of the Tory same". But with such a majority the PLP may have the balls to row-back on the centre-right Tory-lite shit, and become a genuine centre-left party. All The Bsst the Red wall collapsed because Corbyn dilled &Dalled on Brexit there was no real leadership on Brexit he didn't make his opinion known until 2 weeks before the vote. |
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Post by wapentake on Jul 5, 2024 8:24:05 GMT
Reform four seats. Four too many. So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best Snake oil salesman? You’ve not been paying attention have you at the lies told for decades now. And if four is too many you show only contempt for those you disagree with but do you think a massive majority too many based on a poor turnout? |
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 5, 2024 8:25:04 GMT
So what happened to the great, national hero led, Reform UK surge? 4 Seats - like I predicted (I predicted 2-6). In only 4 seats were the electorate dumb enough to vote for a snakeoil salesman. Pleasantly surprised by that. All The Best But in total Reform polled more votes than the FibDims.
In reality they are the third party. Their paucity of seats is more a damning indictment of our rigged voting system.
Bring on PR.
It's not rigged, it's just how the system works. The general elections is 650 individual and separate by-elections. |
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