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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 10:42:19 GMT
What made up lies? Suggest you read Directive (EU) 2016/2370 - Directive 2004/51/EC and Directive 2007/58/EC. All of which map out the process over the years to introduce competition into the rail industry. ....but nothing in there that stops you having a nationalised rail industry despite the squeals from brexiters to the contrary , many of whom are right wing tories who dont like nationalisation anyway?
I tel you pacifico , there are many arguments for and against the EU. This one isnt one of them , and is nothing more than a complete red herring.
I'll just repeat what I said 3 days ago.. there is nothing stopping you having a nationalised rail company - but what you cannot do is fail to allow competition |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2022 10:47:00 GMT
....but nothing in there that stops you having a nationalised rail industry despite the squeals from brexiters to the contrary , many of whom are right wing tories who dont like nationalisation anyway?
I tel you pacifico , there are many arguments for and against the EU. This one isnt one of them , and is nothing more than a complete red herring.
I'll just repeat what I said 3 days ago.. there is nothing stopping you having a nationalised rail company - but what you cannot do is fail to allow competition Tell vinny. He seems confused , and until i jumped in , you appeared reluctant to "correct " his misinformation. Why was that i wonder? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2022 10:54:23 GMT
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Post by bancroft on Oct 17, 2022 11:16:26 GMT
SIX in 10 voters would back Yes if they were convinced an independent Scotland will deliver higher pensions and an economy based on the health and happiness of its citizens, a new poll has revealed. The survey shows the importance of setting out a positive economic case for leaving the UK, ahead of the Scottish Government unveiling a paper outlining its approach tomorrow as part of its new prospectus on independence. That is not hard as the Uk has the worst pension in the developed world at 29% of average earnings. The SNP have promised it would rise to the European avereage. around £225 per week. That means 61% of Scottish voters would vote yes. www.thenational.scot/news/23052240.wellbeing-case-puts-scottish-independence-vote-61-bombshell-poll-fin  If they believe it. I've missed something, i cannot see that table in your article........... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2022 13:06:15 GMT
If the people of Scotland are told the 'real truth' about what comes with Independence, and it real terms what they'll gain and what they'll lose, take it from me they wont touch it with a bargepole
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Post by jonksy on Oct 17, 2022 15:34:06 GMT
If the people of Scotland are told the 'real truth' about what comes with Independence, and it real terms what they'll gain and what they'll lose, take it from me they wont touch it with a bargepole I would love to know what currency they would use........Maybe the grote would make a comeback.....I bet the Scottish people would have to increase the size of their sporons to carry the amount of those they would need.....LOL |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 15:34:11 GMT
On all other routes the operator is to be determined by competitive bidding. as I said... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 17, 2022 16:40:47 GMT
If the people of Scotland are told the 'real truth' about what comes with Independence, and it real terms what they'll gain and what they'll lose, take it from me they wont touch it with a bargepole I would love to know what currency they would use........Maybe the grote would make a comeback.....I bet the Scottish people would have to increase the size of their sporons to carry the amount of those they would need.....LOL Sturgeon would love to use the Euro, even the EU know Scotland will need a bail out if they became Independent, and the EU are takers not givers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 17:09:12 GMT
Not sure how this would work - if you are only going to have 2 border checkpoints why any at all? Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a border between an independent Scotland and England has been labelled a “smugglers’ charter” after it emerged that check points would be installed on only two of its 25 crossings.
The first minister’s economic prospectus for a new state has conceded that checks would be required on goods heading between the two countries.
It said that physical examinations “would likely only be undertaken on the two main trunk routes between England and Scotland or at rail freight terminals”. Sturgeon confirmed the roads would be the A74(M) and the A1.
Membership of the European Union — one of the Scottish government’s key arguments for independence — has been highlighted as a key economic benefit of leaving the UK.
Sturgeon has conceded that entry to the EU would not be possible until Scotland had control both of its monetary policy and currency. She was unable to say how long it would take to rejoin the EU but hoped it would be less than five years, adding that it should not be a “particularly lengthy process”.
The first minister’s prediction runs contrary to her own Sustainable Growth Commission which estimated that a new currency could not be established until “towards the end of the first decade following a successful independence vote”.
Sturgeon said negotiations for access to the EU could progress during the transition phase to a new currency but membership would not be possible until it had introduced the Scottish pound.
The Times... |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 17, 2022 17:56:43 GMT
I would love to know what currency they would use........Maybe the grote would make a comeback.....I bet the Scottish people would have to increase the size of their sporons to carry the amount of those they would need.....LOL Sturgeon would love to use the Euro, even the EU know Scotland will need a bail out if they became Independent, and the EU are takers not givers. Exactly mate...👍👍 |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 17, 2022 18:39:10 GMT
That magic word in the headline again: "Could". Not much chance of it though is there? Scotland could have its own CURRENCY in five years: Nicola Sturgeon promises 'Scottish pound' and no passports to visit England with her independence bid - but admits there will be border checks Nicola Sturgeon claims UK economy 'is in long-term decline' in press conference Scottish First Minister sets out new proposals as part of her independence push SNP leader claims country would have Scottish pound after breaking up UK www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11323775/Sturgeon-claims-UK-long-term-decline-says-independent-Scotland-currency.html |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 17, 2022 18:50:39 GMT
What does she mean: "No passports to visit England"? That's not within her gift. And if you're a Jock working in England...? Well, good luck with that.
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Post by thomas on Oct 17, 2022 19:05:34 GMT
On all other routes the operator is to be determined by competitive bidding. as I said... .....you like to clutch at straws? Aye we know that.
The point though pacifico...........the point.....
Renationalising Britain’s railways – EU law not a barrier
with the state of Truss , the tories looking lamentable , the whole brexiter fearmongering is looking pretty laughable now wouldnt you say? Its going to take more than "competition " fearmongering to save dads army now i would say.
If the uk doesnt split soon , and its a question of when not if , then Starmer is going to sign on the dotted line behind the bike sheds and take you back in the EU competition or no competition. At the rate you are going pacifico , i reckon the euro is looking a better bet than the pound , not to mention free movement and all the rest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2022 19:37:48 GMT
Thanks for your spirited and factual defence of the argument, Thomas. You provide good info as well - info that I wasn't aware of in some cases. This letter is off-topic but I can't be bothered to file it into the right thread (Von Lotsov's SNP Ref thread? hmm..). |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 17, 2022 21:25:22 GMT
.....you like to clutch at straws? Aye we know that.
The point though pacifico...........the point.....
Renationalising Britain’s railways – EU law not a barrier
I know you are Scottish but I speak English so I shall repeat (yet again) what I said 3 days ago.. "there is nothing stopping you having a nationalised rail company - but what you cannot do is fail to allow competition"
Wittering mindlessly on about what you reckon the euro is does not change that basic fact. |
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