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Post by Toreador on Dec 23, 2022 17:06:17 GMT
It's ironic that the Dutch did so much drainage engineering for this country going back centuries.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 23, 2022 20:25:43 GMT
Productivity and quality of agriculture. There will come a time when the standards of agricultural production in the EU will not meet the EU levels due to being irrigated and fertilised by unwanted chemicals. Maybe it might be better if the government bought some farms that pollute the water instead of criticising Holland's effort. The quality and content of an agricultural product is not the same as the quality of agriculture. They are only using 'unwanted' chemicals because they are restricted from their normal manuring process. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 24, 2022 11:30:45 GMT
Productivity and quality of agriculture. There will come a time when the standards of agricultural production in the EU will not meet the EU levels due to being irrigated and fertilised by unwanted chemicals. Maybe it might be better if the government bought some farms that pollute the water instead of criticising Holland's effort. The quality and content of an agricultural product is not the same as the quality of agriculture. They are only using 'unwanted' chemicals because they are restricted from their normal manuring process. What is a normal manuring process? And who is restricting it? And why? Could it be that the chemicals in animal feed would not suit the production of cereal crops? I have seen large piles of animal poo dumped onto fields in the autumn, to be spread over the winter to be absorbed when it rains so I don't know what you mean. Nitrogen is what makes plants grow more than normal. It gets washed into water where the aquatic plants grow too thickly and fish don't have enough oxygen or room to carry out their life cycles. Other chemicals do other things to the composition of water. I am still concerned that long after I am dead, the water across and around the UK will be dirty and shareholders in the monopoly called the water board will be very much richer. And that is without the usual extensions. IMO it is a scandal. Water belongs to everyone, not just to shareholders. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 24, 2022 12:07:45 GMT
Reality is that the uk has just announced a target date to clean up its inshore and off shore waters by... Sometime in the 2060's. Current targets have been widely missed. www.wildlifetrusts.org/news/englands-poisoned-waterwaysSuch are the benefits of control. The UK can foul its waterways with impunity. We can sack our government and change the targets and change the deadlines. And let us not forget, EU policy resulted in an end to the dredging of rivers, which lead to heavy flooding in Somerset not that many years ago. We can now ditch that policy and dredge and have safer rivers. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 24, 2022 12:30:00 GMT
The quality and content of an agricultural product is not the same as the quality of agriculture. They are only using 'unwanted' chemicals because they are restricted from their normal manuring process. What is a normal manuring process? And who is restricting it? And why? Could it be that the chemicals in animal feed would not suit the production of cereal crops? I have seen large piles of animal poo dumped onto fields in the autumn, to be spread over the winter to be absorbed when it rains so I don't know what you mean. Nitrogen is what makes plants grow more than normal. It gets washed into water where the aquatic plants grow too thickly and fish don't have enough oxygen or room to carry out their life cycles. Other chemicals do other things to the composition of water. I am still concerned that long after I am dead, the water across and around the UK will be dirty and shareholders in the monopoly called the water board will be very much richer. And that is without the usual extensions. IMO it is a scandal. Water belongs to everyone, not just to shareholders. Plant more hedges and trees, problem solved. Stop awarding subsidies on the basis of land available for farming and award subsidies based on necessity. Hell, even grouse shoots have been subsidised. Grouse shoots where people pay thousands a day. It isn't like the estates need the subsidies, but they get it. www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/grouse-shooting-eu-subsidy-money-hunting-estate-owners-a9054581.html |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 24, 2022 16:39:41 GMT
I have no idea what subsidised grouse shoots have to do with dirty water, but
sorry Vinny but I don't have the interest in this subject to counter the growing catalogue of gross misinformation you use to discuss this.
Your "facts" are years old and completely out of date. Your interpretation is unsupported.
And frankly since those who voted to leave are expressing more and more buyers regret, all I can do is stand back and hope someone can make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
A word to others, please check out the current situation in the EU if you are interested enough to. Vinny sounds like a history book.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 24, 2022 17:14:57 GMT
I have no idea what subsidised grouse shoots have to do with dirty water, but sorry Vinny but I don't have the interest in this subject to counter the growing catalogue of gross misinformation you use to discuss this. Your "facts" are years old and completely out of date. Your interpretation is unsupported. And frankly since those who voted to leave are expressing more and more buyers regret, all I can do is stand back and hope someone can make a silk purse out of a sows ear. A word to others, please check out the current situation in the EU if you are interested enough to. Vinny sounds like a history book. Because it's money going in the wrong direction, do you see? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 24, 2022 18:08:36 GMT
I have no idea what subsidised grouse shoots have to do with dirty water, but sorry Vinny but I don't have the interest in this subject to counter the growing catalogue of gross misinformation you use to discuss this. Your "facts" are years old and completely out of date. Your interpretation is unsupported. And frankly since those who voted to leave are expressing more and more buyers regret, all I can do is stand back and hope someone can make a silk purse out of a sows ear. A word to others, please check out the current situation in the EU if you are interested enough to. Vinny sounds like a history book. Because it's money going in the wrong direction, do you see? Exactly, they subsidise the rich instead of ecology. And now they're messing up the food chain because their policies in practice resulted in the destruction of hedges, trees, forests and meadows, and messed up the environment. They're crap, and they will not listen. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 24, 2022 18:20:05 GMT
Because it's money going in the wrong direction, do you see? Exactly, they subsidise the rich instead of ecology. And now they're messing up the food chain because their policies in practice resulted in the destruction of hedges, trees, forests and meadows, and messed up the environment. They're crap, and they will not listen. The fens in Lincolnshire are like a desert, hardly any hedgerows, few woodlands and copses and all to increase yield of things we often don't need and don't want. Move 30 miles west to Rutland and Leicestershire, counties villified by their hunt practices. Well I don't like hunting but I could easily make a case for it on the grounds of countryside preservation. I know the farmer who set up and maintained the now defunct East of England hunting course, it was like an oasis in the desert, awash with wildlife that would struggle to exist and multiply beyond its border. |
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