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Post by Vinny on Nov 28, 2022 23:23:10 GMT
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 0:23:05 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Nov 29, 2022 0:41:08 GMT
But our government are not buying up farms to close them.
There are other ways, like changing the fertilisers that are being used.
Having cows and bulls spend more time out to pasture.
Better animal feeds etc.
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Post by oracle75 on Nov 29, 2022 10:19:13 GMT
The Netherlands has been overpopulated for many years. It seems sensible to cut emissions from farming animals which produce unneeded milk and use the land for housing. The land owners will be well compensated.
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 10:22:50 GMT
But our government are not buying up farms to close them. There are other ways, like changing the fertilisers that are being used. Having cows and bulls spend more time out to pasture. Better animal feeds etc. Because that's the way the sovereign Dutch government have chosen to proceed. Their choice but as ever you wish to falsely project that as an EU imposition You do love this 'Project Look What We'll Pretend We Saved You From' don't you. All it shows is you're increasingly feeling guilty about what you helped happen |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 29, 2022 10:36:31 GMT
It is how the Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy.
Nevertheless there is that EU policy, other EU countries are not responding in this way to it.
Farms keep people alive.
Do you think closing 3,000 farms is a good way to comply with an EU policy ?
The Netherlands, like many a country has a cost of living crisis, this would push up the cost of food.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 12:20:07 GMT
It is how the Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy. Nevertheless there is that EU policy, other EU countries are not responding in this way to it. Farms keep people alive. Do you think closing 3,000 farms is a good way to comply with an EU policy ? The Netherlands, like many a country has a cost of living crisis, this would push up the cost of food. The Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy according to what they (the Dutch) think is best for them. For me, this just goes to show that EU countries have not lost control of their own affairs. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 29, 2022 14:46:42 GMT
It is how the Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy. Nevertheless there is that EU policy, other EU countries are not responding in this way to it. Farms keep people alive. Do you think closing 3,000 farms is a good way to comply with an EU policy ? The Netherlands, like many a country has a cost of living crisis, this would push up the cost of food. Yes the Dutch have their ways, we have are ways and other nations have their ways of reducing the hazards of NOx It's called sovereignty. You know that thing the Brexiters lied that we lost when we were in the EU but of course we really didn't. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 29, 2022 17:35:45 GMT
Yes, it's sovereignty, but their government is responding to an EU policy in a way that will exacerbate the Dutch cost of living crisis.
The thread title was to provoke interest and debate, there's not a lot of room to write.
Your posts are 100% valid and your arguments are understood.
Thanks.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 2, 2022 18:52:38 GMT
Yes, it's sovereignty, but their government is responding to an EU policy in a way that will exacerbate the Dutch cost of living crisis. The thread title was to provoke interest and debate, there's not a lot of room to write. Your posts are 100% valid and your arguments are understood. Thanks. There is an argument that they are laying the groundwork for the tristate city and that Nitrogen has little to do with it as most Nitrogen comes from industry. It seems that there appears to be a sovereignty above the Netherlands sovereignty that carries more weight with the Dutch government or they are supporters of the plans without actually putting those plans to the electorate. Some Dutch farmers are openly saying the government is planning to build on their land and not rewild it as stated. We do not just live in interesting times but very worrying times where elected governments appear to have the interests of the electorate as the last item on their list. |
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Post by wapentake on Dec 2, 2022 20:32:11 GMT
The Netherlands has been overpopulated for many years. It seems sensible to cut emissions from farming animals which produce unneeded milk and use the land for housing. The land owners will be well compensated. The world is overpopulated how that is confronted by those in power? |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 3, 2022 17:06:08 GMT
Yes, it's sovereignty, but their government is responding to an EU policy in a way that will exacerbate the Dutch cost of living crisis. The thread title was to provoke interest and debate, there's not a lot of room to write. Your posts are 100% valid and your arguments are understood. Thanks. There is an argument that they are laying the groundwork for the tristate city and that Nitrogen has little to do with it as most Nitrogen comes from industry. It seems that there appears to be a sovereignty above the Netherlands sovereignty that carries more weight with the Dutch government or they are supporters of the plans without actually putting those plans to the electorate. Some Dutch farmers are openly saying the government is planning to build on their land and not rewild it as stated. We do not just live in interesting times but very worrying times where elected governments appear to have the interests of the electorate as the last item on their list. Well said. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 6, 2022 14:28:04 GMT
It is how the Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy. Nevertheless there is that EU policy, other EU countries are not responding in this way to it. Farms keep people alive. Do you think closing 3,000 farms is a good way to comply with an EU policy ? The Netherlands, like many a country has a cost of living crisis, this would push up the cost of food. The Netherlands is one of the more overcrowded countries in Europe. More housing will lower the cost of having a roof over your head. 3000 farms will barely scratch the cost of living of a country that imports most of its food and exports mainly milk and beef. Compensation and early retirement are powerful incentives. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2022 14:51:52 GMT
It is how the Dutch government have chosen to respond to an EU policy. Nevertheless there is that EU policy, other EU countries are not responding in this way to it. Farms keep people alive. Do you think closing 3,000 farms is a good way to comply with an EU policy ? The Netherlands, like many a country has a cost of living crisis, this would push up the cost of food. The Netherlands is one of the more overcrowded countries in Europe. More housing will lower the cost of having a roof over your head. 3000 farms will barely scratch the cost of living of a country that imports most of its food and exports mainly milk and beef. Compensation and early retirement are powerful incentives. Freedom of movement of people from the rest of the EU is a factor in the overcrowding. Maybe address the problems that has, rather than reducing food supplies. And, another thing this policy would cause is a reduction in fertiliser supplies for the whole of the EU impacting farming across a vast number of countries. It is a shit policy. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 6, 2022 17:26:14 GMT
The Netherlands is one of the more overcrowded countries in Europe. More housing will lower the cost of having a roof over your head. 3000 farms will barely scratch the cost of living of a country that imports most of its food and exports mainly milk and beef. Compensation and early retirement are powerful incentives. Freedom of movement of people from the rest of the EU is a factor in the overcrowding. Maybe address the problems that has, rather than reducing food supplies. And, another thing this policy would cause is a reduction in fertiliser supplies for the whole of the EU impacting farming across a vast number of countries. It is a shit policy. That is not in your gift to decide. It is a sovereign decision taken by a sovereign country. First you say the EU strips countries of sovereignty and then you criticise the country for using the sovereignty it actually has. You are all over the place. The Netherlands has done quite well without your advice. I am sure it is still capable of making its own decisions. Your explanation of its overcrowding is purely your own guess. In fact the UK could do with a bit more migrant worker overcrowding. Never mind farms over there. There are hundreds of farms in the UK which have gone out of business due to lack of workers. www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/aug/15/pounds-60m-in-uk-crops-left-to-rot-lack-of-workers-nfu-farming |
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