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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
I never said it was my decision.
I said it was a shit policy.
And you're entitled to your opinion about our sovereign decision to leave the EU.
As for migrant workers, we've got enough thank you very much, we've got a visa system and it works better than freedom of movement of people does.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 6, 2022 17:49:35 GMT
I never said it was my decision. I said it was a shit policy. And you're entitled to your opinion about our sovereign decision to leave the EU. As for migrant workers, we've got enough thank you very much, we've got a visa system and it works better than freedom of movement of people does. Farmers and facts disprove you. Use the link I attached to my last post.Having a plan means nothing if it doesn't work. I don't know why you refuse to admit what everybody else says. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 6, 2022 17:55:39 GMT
Our farmers biggest issue is with what supermarkets under-pay them, not a shortage of staff.
There's enough Brits able to do the work.
Now, seeing as this is about the EU not Britain and we're not in it anymore: Dutch farmers want to keep their farms.
Dutch farmers are protesting all over the place.
Popularity of Mark Rutte's party the VVD is plunging.
Maybe you might want to think about that.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 6, 2022 23:11:18 GMT
Our farmers biggest issue is with what supermarkets under-pay them, not a shortage of staff. There's enough Brits able to do the work. Now, seeing as this is about the EU not Britain and we're not in it anymore: Dutch farmers want to keep their farms. Dutch farmers are protesting all over the place. Popularity of Mark Rutte's party the VVD is plunging. Maybe you might want to think about that. I am wondering why this proposal in the Netherlands bothers you so much now the UK isn't in the EU anymore. It really isn't any of your concern. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 7, 2022 1:18:34 GMT
Ok, why is there a board about the EU when we're not in it ? And why are you posting on it ?
I am discussing something I didn't say it "bothered me", I am just observing that it may well bother the Netherlands, after all, I have Dutch friends and their country is still inside.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 7, 2022 7:59:10 GMT
Our farmers biggest issue is with what supermarkets under-pay them, not a shortage of staff. There's enough Brits able to do the work. Now, seeing as this is about the EU not Britain and we're not in it anymore: Dutch farmers want to keep their farms. Dutch farmers are protesting all over the place. Popularity of Mark Rutte's party the VVD is plunging. Maybe you might want to think about that. I am wondering why this proposal in the Netherlands bothers you so much now the UK isn't in the EU anymore. It really isn't any of your concern. We have posters living in the EU commentating on domestic UK matters - and nobody thinks twice about commentating on the political situation in the US so what is different about the EU? |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 7, 2022 21:31:39 GMT
It is quite clear from the first few posts in this thread that Vinny is using a Dutch proposal to criticise EU policy, when in fact is not EU policy but a sovereign decision having nothing to do with the EU.
He has tried to link it to some EU policy on nitrogen when in fact the Netherlands has too many small farms and not enough housing.
And then Vinny tries to link the issue to EU migration policy, about which he presents no proof.
And finally, running out of reasons to be anti EU, goes for the "I have friends who are farmers in the Netherlands and I speak for them".
The issue should not be confused with the political EU and should instead be under something like "world view".
If I were Vinny I would start to be honest about what such lies have done to his own country and stop using someone else's as, as already said, creative evidence about " see what we saved you from" when in fact the issue has nothing to do with the EU.
And to start to predict the loss of its tulip industry and then go on about cows and reducing general foods is both inconsistent and unsupported in fact.
The Netherlands will decide what is best for the Netherlands because the EU has nothing to do with its decision and hopefully will make a better decision than the UK's sovereignty did.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 8, 2022 10:40:28 GMT
Dutch proposal to comply with EU policy on nitrogen pollution.
Btw, turning dung into fertiliser and churning it into the soil would solve most of the issues.
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Post by Steve on Dec 8, 2022 12:32:13 GMT
Our farmers biggest issue is with what supermarkets under-pay them, not a shortage of staff. There's enough Brits able to do the work. . . . No it's not. Our Supermarkets charge the prices Brits are prepared to pay and seems you forgot that Brexit forced your Leave government to end tariffs on all food imports while ending CAP support for farmers thereby giving them a double whammy. Why not just admit that Brexit is turning out to be the very problems you were told it'd be plus some more. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 8, 2022 13:18:45 GMT
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Post by Steve on Dec 8, 2022 17:34:49 GMT
I think you'll find UK farmers are less than applauding the government's plans for a CAP replacement.
And you couldn't counter that they now have to compete with the whole world being able to offer food here with zero tariffs whereas before your Brexit we excluded many low labour cost countries from that.
And you forgot they really don't have cheap EU labour anymore
And of course very interesting that you didn't c&p para 18 'The derogation granted by this Decision is . . .'
So as I said, this is all another chapter of Project Look What We'll Pretend We Saved You From
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Post by Vinny on Dec 13, 2022 8:40:10 GMT
The subsidies were awarded on the basis of how much land they have, to maximise the available amount of farmland, hedges and trees have been ripped out. Same happened in the Netherlands, whether that was intended by the EU or a side effect, that is what happens. And by destroying habitats such as hedgerows, a side effect is nitrogen pollution.
Our policy requires environmental responsibility.
Hedgerows are a necessary part of that.
If farmers don't like that, I don't care.
I come from a long line of farmers. I have relatives who still farm the land.
The CAP is bloody rubbish. We failed to reform it as members, now we're showing the way.
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Post by Montegriffo on Dec 13, 2022 12:21:32 GMT
The subsidies were awarded on the basis of how much land they have, to maximise the available amount of farmland, hedges and trees have been ripped out. Same happened in the Netherlands, whether that was intended by the EU or a side effect, that is what happens. And by destroying habitats such as hedgerows, a side effect is nitrogen pollution. Our policy requires environmental responsibility. Hedgerows are a necessary part of that. If farmers don't like that, I don't care. I come from a long line of farmers. I have relatives who still farm the land. The CAP is bloody rubbish. We failed to reform it as members, now we're showing the way. Subsidies stopped being simply related to the amount of acres you have a long time ago. The farm I live on gets the majority of it's subsidies because it has so much hedgerow (5% of the farm), ponds, wildlife corridors. rare flora etc. They receive payment because the meadow I live on has a rare orchid and the man from the ministry comes to check on it every year. This all started under the EU and Brexit only guarantees continued payments for five years. In 3 years time there will be no guarantee that payments will continue. |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 13, 2022 16:09:44 GMT
Dutch proposal to comply with EU policy on nitrogen pollution. Btw, turning dung into fertiliser and churning it into the soil would solve most of the issues. The protests are about more than one issue. The farmers want more respect and better animal care and have been demonstrating for three years about some or all the issues. The target is not the EU but the way the Dutch government runs its agricultural sector. And ploughing cattle dung straight into the ground merely returns nitrogen and some vegetable matter into the soil. Each crop of cereals or flowers or grass needs different combinations of fertiliser. It wouldn't solve "most of the issues". This Dutch policy is a response to an EU agreed aim to limit the amount of pollutants in the air. You are bending the aim and the response into a blame game wherein the EU is seeming to be forcing Dutch farmers out of their living. That is not true. The same aim is adopted by the UK which is responding by opening a new coal mine. IMO not very helpful in complying with COP aims. I am also seeing a lot of mistakes you make about the truth of current agriculture in the EU , and about which others have corrected you. As well as other issues around the EU. You might verify your assumptions about your interests with some research before you go public and get rightfully shot down. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 13, 2022 16:11:40 GMT
Put hedges around the fields, trees too. That'll soak up much of the nitrogen.  The issues with EU farming are obvious. |
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