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Post by ratcliff on Jun 19, 2024 11:09:17 GMT
A watchdog has told Surrey police to investigate whether the decision to ram an escaped cow with a police car was “appropriate and proportionate”. The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said the force should also look at whether the officers involved met standards of professional behaviour including how they communicated with members of the public at the time. Surrey Police came under fierce criticism after footage of officers using a patrol car to ram the cow was shared on social media, with the Home Secretary demanding an explanation of why the action was taken. The force said officers had tried a number of methods to catch the cow after reports it was running at members of the public and had damaged a car in Staines-upon-Thames on Friday, before the decision was made to stop it by force. The matter was referred to the IOPC, who said Surrey could investigate what had happened itself. A spokesman said: “After careful consideration, we have decided that an investigation is required into whether the methods used to contain the cow were appropriate and proportionate in these circumstances, and whether the officers upheld police standards of professional behaviour throughout the incident, including their communication with members of the public who were present. “However, we do not consider the investigation needs to be undertaken by the IOPC, so it will be for Surrey’s professional standards department to take it forward. “If the complainants are unhappy with the outcome of the investigation they will have a right of review to the IOPC, providing a level of independent oversight.” The cow had left her enclosure and sustained a large cut to one leg with grazes to the skin during the distressing ordeal. Currently, the cow, who's name is unknown, is recuperating and has been reunited with her owner with a vet monitoring her at intervals. Officers are keeping in contact with the owner for welfare updates. Surrey Police said efforts were made to identify the cow's owner with a local vet, before the incident occurred. In response to the IOPC's decision, Deputy Chief Constable, Nev Kemp, said today: “I know how important it is that we provide the public with answers as to how these actions came about and what events led up to it. “We acknowledge the decision of the IOPC that this should be a local investigation and will continue to progress this accordingly. A full and thorough investigation will be led by Surrey Police’s Professional Standards Department and overseen by a Senior Investigating Officer from Surrey and Sussex Police’s Major Crime Team. “This will take time, however I reaffirm my commitment to ensuring that this is diligently investigated and we will also continue to provide updates to our local community and the wider public via our website http://www.surrey.police.uk.”
Take time? Why? Shoudn't take more than 48 hours to ascertain the facts but need to take account of police incompetence and getting their notebooks to agree? 7 days max |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 19, 2024 11:24:23 GMT
Were you there? And did you offer your expertise? No ,but had I been I would have Vets are on call 24/7/365 and are all listed on google (if the police do not have a list) I'm perfectly capable of watching videos , taken at the time and assess the abject cruelty and incompetence of the police involved It's amazing how many people can discern exactly what happened in a 2 hour incident just from watching the last 20 seconds on video.
Just like fat bloke down the pub knows more than the England manager - just from watching footy.
With talents like that, I'm amazed you're not all millionaires.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 19, 2024 11:52:07 GMT
This 'cow' wasn't much more than a calf, she was ten months old which is why she fit under the front of a police car. Had that idiot copper driven into a 1000kg adult cow the damage to his patrol car would have been significant. Anyone who thinks a ten month old calf is frightening or dangerous needs to get out more, perhaps visit a farm. Actually, I would have thought a walk around many of the wonderfully multicultural boroughs of London would pose a far greater risk to ones health than happening upon a ten month old calf. From the newer photos she barely came up to the car bonnet , thuggish behaviour from the police and I'm only surprised that one one cop has been suspended Quite so Ratcliff, the animal must have been terrified. If the police had seen a member of the public acting like that they would have arrested them. The copper driving that car is an imbecile. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 19, 2024 12:15:52 GMT
Well next time Police are called to deal with a stay calf I suggest they ring you.
Depending what breed of Calf it is means at 10 months old it will weigh at least 400lbs, or even as much as 900lbs,
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 19, 2024 12:30:02 GMT
I used to work in an abattoir, not full time and it was a long time ago. Most kids had paper rounds, I had a Saturday job in an abattoir. I couldn't do it today but I remember it very well, I could talk you through the entire process if you wish, for beast pigs and sheep. I have mentioned to Mrs R that the best way to turn a meat eater into a vegetarian is to visit an abattoir. Wouldn’t work for me After a brainwave regarding a raw material source for an enzyme to tear the rubbish left in the capillaries in your heart away from the damage done by a heart attack, i found myself standing in one with a knife and two dustbins, collecting bull’s testicles The experience left me less keen on burgers than i used to be, but did nothing to my enjoyment of rump, sirloin and fillet steak LOL, fairy nuff. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 19, 2024 12:36:23 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Jun 19, 2024 12:39:09 GMT
A watchdog has told Surrey police to investigate whether the decision to ram an escaped cow with a police car was “appropriate and proportionate”. The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said the force should also look at whether the officers involved met standards of professional behaviour including how they communicated with members of the public at the time. Surrey Police came under fierce criticism after footage of officers using a patrol car to ram the cow was shared on social media, with the Home Secretary demanding an explanation of why the action was taken. The force said officers had tried a number of methods to catch the cow after reports it was running at members of the public and had damaged a car in Staines-upon-Thames on Friday, before the decision was made to stop it by force. The matter was referred to the IOPC, who said Surrey could investigate what had happened itself. A spokesman said: “After careful consideration, we have decided that an investigation is required into whether the methods used to contain the cow were appropriate and proportionate in these circumstances, and whether the officers upheld police standards of professional behaviour throughout the incident, including their communication with members of the public who were present. “However, we do not consider the investigation needs to be undertaken by the IOPC, so it will be for Surrey’s professional standards department to take it forward. “If the complainants are unhappy with the outcome of the investigation they will have a right of review to the IOPC, providing a level of independent oversight.” The cow had left her enclosure and sustained a large cut to one leg with grazes to the skin during the distressing ordeal. Currently, the cow, who's name is unknown, is recuperating and has been reunited with her owner with a vet monitoring her at intervals. Officers are keeping in contact with the owner for welfare updates. Surrey Police said efforts were made to identify the cow's owner with a local vet, before the incident occurred. In response to the IOPC's decision, Deputy Chief Constable, Nev Kemp, said today: “I know how important it is that we provide the public with answers as to how these actions came about and what events led up to it. “We acknowledge the decision of the IOPC that this should be a local investigation and will continue to progress this accordingly. A full and thorough investigation will be led by Surrey Police’s Professional Standards Department and overseen by a Senior Investigating Officer from Surrey and Sussex Police’s Major Crime Team. “This will take time, however I reaffirm my commitment to ensuring that this is diligently investigated and we will also continue to provide updates to our local community and the wider public via our website http://www.surrey.police.uk.”
Take time? Why? Shoudn't take more than 48 hours to ascertain the facts but need to take account of police incompetence and getting their notebooks to agree? 7 days max Who do you suggest should investigate it M15? I think the owners of the Calf should be asked how did it escape in the first place lack of adequate fencing ? forgot to lock the Cow Shed door, I was taking it for a stroll down the shops and it slipped it lead |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 19, 2024 17:03:22 GMT
The funniest thing is some of those agonising over the welfare of a cow are quite happy to see migrants drowned,deport them certainly but murder them?
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Post by wapentake on Jun 19, 2024 19:29:25 GMT
Oh dear the nearly full grown cow rammed into a police car and charged at members of the public.. link |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 20, 2024 7:43:03 GMT
Cattle Calves and Bullocks are not as docile and cuddly as some people may think, people have been killed by them over the years
From the Mirror Newspaper
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"Long-term fatalities are about five a year. On a low number, any increase is significant. But there does seem a trend upward. Also, remember deaths are just the extreme result of lots of attacks/incidents. I suspect three to four thousand a year but nobody knows, with consequences ranging from lucky escape, trauma, minor injuries and progressively more serious injuries to deaths.
"About 35% of incidents lead to injury, just a matter of luck and circumstances.
A recent HSE paper indicated 25% of farmers are injured every year by their cattle. As for carrying sticks, walking confidently through a herd or shouting commands, all nonsense recommended by armchair experts who have never been attacked
A man was killed and his wife was left paralysed when they were trampled by a herd of cows while walking their daughter's whippets in September 2020.
Micheal Holmes, 57, was pronounced dead at the scene while his wife Teresa was airlifted to hospital. The couple were attacked after they were trampled 20 feet from the end of the footpath in a public right-of-way field.
Micheal suffered 35 rib fractures and the sack of his heart was lacerated, a pathologist ruled the injuries to his chest on their own were not survivable. Teresa, who was knocked unconscious in the incident, suffered injuries, which included spinal fractures, spinal cord injuries and fractured ribs.
In another incident, pensioner Huw Evans was “attacked” and killed by a cow, which had escaped from the Whitland Mart livestock market in Carmarthenshire, Wales. He was injured in the centre of the town on November 19 last year and airlifted to hospital, but sadly he died six days later "
My brother in law is a sheep farmer but until recently he used to buy a few Bullocks ( Calves about 6 or 8 months old they are classed as Bulls when they are a year old , same for Cow Calves classed as Cow when 12 months old) he put them out to pasture to fatten them up when about 18 months old take them to market and sold.
He does not do that anymore he is 66 years of age and not as nimble as he used to be, he has had some close calls over the years with Bulls even when he had his two dogs with him, sheep are safer and easier to handle
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 9:07:11 GMT
A woman from a church in Northants where we went had an argument with a cow and got crushed. She spent some time in hospital and was never right after that, she couldn't walk straight.
They are potentially dangerous just for their weight.
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 20, 2024 11:33:11 GMT
Well next time Police are called to deal with a stay calf I suggest they ring you. Depending what breed of Calf it is means at 10 months old it will weigh at least 400lbs, or even as much as 900lbs, Yes they can phone me anytime - I could also give them phone numbers of on call large animal emergency vets anywhere in the country with the aid of a 2 minute google search.....................as could any rational person |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 20, 2024 11:35:41 GMT
Cattle Calves and Bullocks are not as docile and cuddly as some people may think, people have been killed by them over the years From the Mirror Newspaper " "Long-term fatalities are about five a year. On a low number, any increase is significant. But there does seem a trend upward. Also, remember deaths are just the extreme result of lots of attacks/incidents. I suspect three to four thousand a year but nobody knows, with consequences ranging from lucky escape, trauma, minor injuries and progressively more serious injuries to deaths. "About 35% of incidents lead to injury, just a matter of luck and circumstances. A recent HSE paper indicated 25% of farmers are injured every year by their cattle. As for carrying sticks, walking confidently through a herd or shouting commands, all nonsense recommended by armchair experts who have never been attacked A man was killed and his wife was left paralysed when they were trampled by a herd of cows while walking their daughter's whippets in September 2020. Micheal Holmes, 57, was pronounced dead at the scene while his wife Teresa was airlifted to hospital. The couple were attacked after they were trampled 20 feet from the end of the footpath in a public right-of-way field. Micheal suffered 35 rib fractures and the sack of his heart was lacerated, a pathologist ruled the injuries to his chest on their own were not survivable. Teresa, who was knocked unconscious in the incident, suffered injuries, which included spinal fractures, spinal cord injuries and fractured ribs. In another incident, pensioner Huw Evans was “attacked” and killed by a cow, which had escaped from the Whitland Mart livestock market in Carmarthenshire, Wales. He was injured in the centre of the town on November 19 last year and airlifted to hospital, but sadly he died six days later " My brother in law is a sheep farmer but until recently he used to buy a few Bullocks ( Calves about 6 or 8 months old they are classed as Bulls when they are a year old , same for Cow Calves classed as Cow when 12 months old) he put them out to pasture to fatten them up when about 18 months old take them to market and sold. He does not do that anymore he is 66 years of age and not as nimble as he used to be, he has had some close calls over the years with Bulls even when he had his two dogs with him, sheep are safer and easier to handle Yes all adult cows with their calves in a herd and usually silly walkers with dogs trying to walk through them Not a solitary Great Dane sized lost calf |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 20, 2024 11:39:33 GMT
This will take time, however I reaffirm my commitment to ensuring that this is diligently investigated
Take time? Why? Shoudn't take more than 48 hours to ascertain the facts but need to take account of police incompetence and getting their notebooks to agree? 7 days max Who do you suggest should investigate it M15? I think the owners of the Calf should be asked how did it escape in the first place lack of adequate fencing ? forgot to lock the Cow Shed door, I was taking it for a stroll down the shops and it slipped it lead From what I read it was grazing on an unfenced open moor where (sort of-different word may apply there) commoners grazing rights apply |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 20, 2024 11:47:12 GMT
This will take time, however I reaffirm my commitment to ensuring that this is diligently investigated
Take time? Why? Shoudn't take more than 48 hours to ascertain the facts but need to take account of police incompetence and getting their notebooks to agree? 7 days max Who do you suggest should investigate it M15? I think the owners of the Calf should be asked how did it escape in the first place lack of adequate fencing ? forgot to lock the Cow Shed door, I was taking it for a stroll down the shops and it slipped it lead Police called it an 'investigation' nt me Surely all it takes is for a senior cop (Chief Inspector +) to read every notebook , then question everyone involved for a proper timeline , which vets/farmers they had caled (I'd expect at least 8-10 different practices to have been called and would question if it was fewer) and recorded their precise reasons for not responding and decide what possible reason there was to run over a calf at least two times |
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