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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 17, 2024 19:03:17 GMT
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Post by wapentake on Jun 17, 2024 19:32:37 GMT
See my previous. Yes I’ve read some of your previous And I’ve read a lot nuts wittering on about a poor cow,and like the pebbles in a bucket a lot of noise rattling around in empty heads on this topic. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 17, 2024 21:27:34 GMT
Does anyone watch GB News? You're missing out.
GB News just interviewed a chap in the studio live on air, who gave an entirely different story to the story the police have put out. This chap said he had the calf contained, he had it pinned against a garden wall and the animal was calm. The police turned up mob handed with headlights on the calf, the calf immediately got stressed. The police ordered him to step away from the animal, he refused telling them to stop shouting and to turn their headlights off.
The police physically dragged him away from the calf and threatened to arrest him for obstruction. The calf immediately ran off at which point the idiot in the police car drove into it, but here's the kicker, the police rammed this calf no fewar than five times.
This guy, the witness, said it's wonder it was still alive, there was absolutely no need for it. He said the police officer driving the car seemed to be enjoying it yelling at his colleauges to get out of the way, so he could get a run at the animal. The police, he said, only stopped ramming it when more people came out into the street and protested about their behaviour.
If this is an advert for the modern police force, they deserve all the bad press they get.
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Post by wapentake on Jun 17, 2024 22:12:03 GMT
Does anyone watch GB News? You're missing out. GB News just interviewed a chap in the studio live on air, who gave an entirely different story to the story the police have put out. This chap said he had the calf contained, he had it pinned against a garden wall and the animal was calm. The police turned up mob handed with headlights on the calf, the calf immediately got stressed. The police ordered him to step away from the animal, he refused telling them to stop shouting and to turn their headlights off. The police physically dragged him away from the calf and threatened to arrest him for obstruction. The calf immediately ran off at which point the idiot in the police car drove into it, but here's the kicker, the police rammed this calf no fewar than five times. This guy, the witness, said it's wonder it was still alive, there was absolutely no need for it. He said the police officer driving the car seemed to be enjoying it yelling at his colleauges to get out of the way, so he could get a run at the animal. The police, he said, only stopped ramming it when more people came out into the street and protested about their behaviour. If this is an advert for the modern police force, they deserve all the bad press they get. GB news just interviewed a bloke who wanted to play to the gallery in a look at me aren’t I the hero self promotion vid. Meanwhile whilst you wittering on about how farmers with a bucket of stones calming what wasn’t some poor calf but near adult animal where in those hours it was loose was the farmer that owned it, collecting pebbles? Have you ever been in an abattoir? I have some years ago on a contract job and it’s not pretty. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 17, 2024 22:36:01 GMT
GB news just interviewed a bloke who wanted to play to the gallery in a look at me aren’t I the hero self promotion vid. Meanwhile whilst you wittering on about how farmers with a bucket of stones calming what wasn’t some poor calf but near adult animal where in those hours it was loose was the farmer that owned it, collecting pebbles? Have you ever been in an abattoir? I have some years ago on a contract job and it’s not pretty. I used to work in an abattoir, not full time and it was a long time ago. Most kids had paper rounds, I had a Saturday job in an abattoir. I couldn't do it today but I remember it very well, I could talk you through the entire process if you wish, for beast pigs and sheep. I have mentioned to Mrs R that the best way to turn a meat eater into a vegetarian is to visit an abattoir. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 18, 2024 6:51:53 GMT
This 'cow' wasn't much more than a calf, she was ten months old which is why she fit under the front of a police car. Had that idiot copper driven into a 1000kg adult cow the damage to his patrol car would have been significant. Anyone who thinks a ten month old calf is frightening or dangerous needs to get out more, perhaps visit a farm. Actually, I would have thought a walk around many of the wonderfully multicultural boroughs of London would pose a far greater risk to ones health than happening upon a ten month old calf. It appears that one Officer has been suspended which is probably the one that drove into more than once, as for calling a Vet as JoG suggested I would think most Vets in Towns probably only deal with small animals and may not posses a tranquilizer rifle which you need for much bigger animals. Red personally I would not like to try and wrestle with a 10 month old calf they are strong, I have been helping my brother in law with sheep, they are much easier to man handle but quite strong a Ram can be quite a handful even they though they are much smaller and weigh less than a large calf Ok i suppose i’ve been a ‘town boundary dweller’ for most of my adult life because it’s how i spent my early childhood, right on the edge of town with nothing but open fields and farmland to the horizon in at least one direction. Which means that while the vast majority of custom at the two vet’s practices within travelling distance of JoG Towers are indeed small animals, both have a farm animal specialist. You can clearly see this at one of them for parked next to the shiny aston martins is an exceptionally muddy land rover and i mean a defender not one of those joke £75000 things i did the aluminium trims for |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jun 18, 2024 6:56:53 GMT
GB news just interviewed a bloke who wanted to play to the gallery in a look at me aren’t I the hero self promotion vid. Meanwhile whilst you wittering on about how farmers with a bucket of stones calming what wasn’t some poor calf but near adult animal where in those hours it was loose was the farmer that owned it, collecting pebbles? Have you ever been in an abattoir? I have some years ago on a contract job and it’s not pretty. I used to work in an abattoir, not full time and it was a long time ago. Most kids had paper rounds, I had a Saturday job in an abattoir. I couldn't do it today but I remember it very well, I could talk you through the entire process if you wish, for beast pigs and sheep. I have mentioned to Mrs R that the best way to turn a meat eater into a vegetarian is to visit an abattoir. Wouldn’t work for me After a brainwave regarding a raw material source for an enzyme to tear the rubbish left in the capillaries in your heart away from the damage done by a heart attack, i found myself standing in one with a knife and two dustbins, collecting bull’s testicles The experience left me less keen on burgers than i used to be, but did nothing to my enjoyment of rump, sirloin and fillet steak |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 18, 2024 14:38:36 GMT
...If someone had stood in front of it and waved their arms the animal would have stopped or gone off in a different direction. On the other hand an injured animal is a different prospect altogether. Normal people (there must be some in the police?) would have herded it into a garden , called a vet or a farmer in those ''several hours'' Abnormal people deliberately run them over Because of course nobody tried either of those first. 🙄 It would not still have been wandering down a street had they done so |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 18, 2024 14:41:28 GMT
This 'cow' wasn't much more than a calf, she was ten months old which is why she fit under the front of a police car. Had that idiot copper driven into a 1000kg adult cow the damage to his patrol car would have been significant. Anyone who thinks a ten month old calf is frightening or dangerous needs to get out more, perhaps visit a farm. Actually, I would have thought a walk around many of the wonderfully multicultural boroughs of London would pose a far greater risk to ones health than happening upon a ten month old calf. From the newer photos she barely came up to the car bonnet , thuggish behaviour from the police and I'm only surprised that one one cop has been suspended |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 18, 2024 14:43:15 GMT
This 'cow' wasn't much more than a calf, she was ten months old which is why she fit under the front of a police car. Had that idiot copper driven into a 1000kg adult cow the damage to his patrol car would have been significant. Anyone who thinks a ten month old calf is frightening or dangerous needs to get out more, perhaps visit a farm. Actually, I would have thought a walk around many of the wonderfully multicultural boroughs of London would pose a far greater risk to ones health than happening upon a ten month old calf. It appears that one Officer has been suspended which is probably the one that drove into more than once, as for calling a Vet as JoG suggested I would think most Vets in Towns probably only deal with small animals and may not posses a tranquilizer rifle which you need for much bigger animals. Red personally I would not like to try and wrestle with a 10 month old calf they are strong, I have been helping my brother in law with sheep, they are much easier to man handle but quite strong a Ram can be quite a handful even they though they are much smaller and weigh less than a large calf Any vet would have just walked up to the small calf with a syringe and injected it |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 18, 2024 15:15:59 GMT
Because of course nobody tried either of those first. 🙄 It would not still have been wandering down a street had they done so Were you there? And did you offer your expertise? |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 18, 2024 16:14:48 GMT
It appears that one Officer has been suspended which is probably the one that drove into more than once, as for calling a Vet as JoG suggested I would think most Vets in Towns probably only deal with small animals and may not posses a tranquilizer rifle which you need for much bigger animals. Red personally I would not like to try and wrestle with a 10 month old calf they are strong, I have been helping my brother in law with sheep, they are much easier to man handle but quite strong a Ram can be quite a handful even they though they are much smaller and weigh less than a large calf Any vet would have just walked up to the small calf with a syringe and injected it If under control yes, when treating animals on farms they are always under control |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 19, 2024 10:55:41 GMT
A watchdog has told Surrey police to investigate whether the decision to ram an escaped cow with a police car was “appropriate and proportionate”.
The Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) said the force should also look at whether the officers involved met standards of professional behaviour including how they communicated with members of the public at the time.
Surrey Police came under fierce criticism after footage of officers using a patrol car to ram the cow was shared on social media, with the Home Secretary demanding an explanation of why the action was taken.
The force said officers had tried a number of methods to catch the cow after reports it was running at members of the public and had damaged a car in Staines-upon-Thames on Friday, before the decision was made to stop it by force.
The matter was referred to the IOPC, who said Surrey could investigate what had happened itself. A spokesman said: “After careful consideration, we have decided that an investigation is required into whether the methods used to contain the cow were appropriate and proportionate in these circumstances, and whether the officers upheld police standards of professional behaviour throughout the incident, including their communication with members of the public who were present.
“However, we do not consider the investigation needs to be undertaken by the IOPC, so it will be for Surrey’s professional standards department to take it forward.
“If the complainants are unhappy with the outcome of the investigation they will have a right of review to the IOPC, providing a level of independent oversight.”
The cow had left her enclosure and sustained a large cut to one leg with grazes to the skin during the distressing ordeal. Currently, the cow, who's name is unknown, is recuperating and has been reunited with her owner with a vet monitoring her at intervals. Officers are keeping in contact with the owner for welfare updates.
Surrey Police said efforts were made to identify the cow's owner with a local vet, before the incident occurred.
In response to the IOPC's decision, Deputy Chief Constable, Nev Kemp, said today: “I know how important it is that we provide the public with answers as to how these actions came about and what events led up to it.
“We acknowledge the decision of the IOPC that this should be a local investigation and will continue to progress this accordingly. A full and thorough investigation will be led by Surrey Police’s Professional Standards Department and overseen by a Senior Investigating Officer from Surrey and Sussex Police’s Major Crime Team.
“This will take time, however I reaffirm my commitment to ensuring that this is diligently investigated and we will also continue to provide updates to our local community and the wider public via our website http://www.surrey.police.uk.”
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 19, 2024 11:04:58 GMT
It would not still have been wandering down a street had they done so Were you there? And did you offer your expertise? No ,but had I been I would have Vets are on call 24/7/365 and are all listed on google (if the police do not have a list) I'm perfectly capable of watching videos , taken at the time and assess the abject cruelty and incompetence of the police involved |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 19, 2024 11:05:59 GMT
Any vet would have just walked up to the small calf with a syringe and injected it If under control yes, when treating animals on farms they are always under control It's a calf - Great Dane size |
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