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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 10:18:28 GMT
The Labour Party stands between the centre ground and the Left, one way of describing the party is that it is between "Social Democratic" and "Socialist". Under Jeremy Corbyn and until fairly recently the Labour Party veered more towards the "Socialist" Left and away from the "Social Democratic" and "Middle Ground". The Conservative Party is experiencing something very similar to what happened to the Labour Party, except that the moderates won the battle for Labour and now control it ..... the battle for the Conservative Party is on-going, and it will carry on after the general election. People like Reece-Mogg, Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson are not traditional Conservatives These people belong to the populist Right, some would say "Far right", as opposed to "extreme right" which would include the likes of the BNP, Britain First etc. But make no mistake, though these people are not Neo-Nazis, theyare part way on the path which leads to the extreme right. Many Tories have criticised Reform UK and Nigel Farage for thir use of language directed at immigrants and immigration, including David Cameron. Over the D Day commemoration weekend I saw lots of meme's and posters on social media asking why Nigel Farage got involved in the commemorations, because "His Side Lost". It all started like this in 1930s Germany, blame the immigrants and blame the Jews, they are taking our jobs, and they are the reason we are poor. Well in that case why aren't you winning all over the EU, rather than losing ground daily, because you have tried to force policies on people that haven't been for the greater good perhaps, but just in the belief you can force people to accept the just plain wrong, I am not ever sure it has anything to do with spouting left or right, which is purely a political concept which is completely outdated as has been proven so many times. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 15, 2024 10:40:48 GMT
Define ''necessary'' violence Really? Is English your first language? Why are you running away from the simple question I asked you? Comprehension problems? Trying to stop digging the hole you'd dug? |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 15, 2024 10:46:45 GMT
I must have missed the bit where "He claims to have been deprived of SkyTV as a child". Perhaps you can copy and paste it? --"You'd have thought that as he's trying to pretend to be a man of the people". He wasn't he was being a politician. None or what you post means anything other than you are a Rightist doing what comes naturally i.e. denigrating the opposition as best you can. Isn't your google working or maybe labour weekly ''forgot' to include his pretence in their missives to you? Maybe you were having your nap at the time he said he grew up without subscription/Sky TV It didn't even start till he was 27 |
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Post by sheepy on Jun 15, 2024 10:53:03 GMT
This all stems back to Blair with his centrist so called politics, who incidentally jumped on anyone who dared step outside the box, by immediately having them denounced as a racist or nazi or both. While he couldn't be judged of course, although evidence since points at him as more extreme than just anyone else in politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 14:52:09 GMT
Which could have taken years of financial struggle to build up. Did it? Or is this just waffle? Some hard facts about the fine toolmaker would be useful. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 15, 2024 15:02:51 GMT
The Labour Party stands between the centre ground and the Left, one way of describing the party is that it is between "Social Democratic" and "Socialist". Under Jeremy Corbyn and until fairly recently the Labour Party veered more towards the "Socialist" Left and away from the "Social Democratic" and "Middle Ground". The Conservative Party is experiencing something very similar to what happened to the Labour Party, except that the moderates won the battle for Labour and now control it ..... the battle for the Conservative Party is on-going, and it will carry on after the general election. People like Reece-Mogg, Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson are not traditional Conservatives These people belong to the populist Right, some would say "Far right", as opposed to "extreme right" which would include the likes of the BNP, Britain First etc. But make no mistake, though these people are not Neo-Nazis, theyare part way on the path which leads to the extreme right. Many Tories have criticised Reform UK and Nigel Farage for thir use of language directed at immigrants and immigration, including David Cameron. Over the D Day commemoration weekend I saw lots of meme's and posters on social media asking why Nigel Farage got involved in the commemorations, because "His Side Lost". It all started like this in 1930s Germany, blame the immigrants and blame the Jews, they are taking our jobs, and they are the reason we are poor. It all started like this in 1920s Russia: Blame the bourgeoisie, they are exploiting your labour, and they are the reason you are poor.
So they killed them all, but the poor still stayed poor.
That's socialism for you.
And though Starmer, Rayner et al are not Stalinists, they are well down the path which leads to left wing totalitarianism.
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 15:05:11 GMT
Really? Is English your first language? Why are you running away from the simple question I asked you? Comprehension problems? Trying to stop digging the hole you'd dug? I'm not running away from anything, so far in my life I have never had to. I'm a little surprised that you felt the need to ask your question but judging by your post ^^^ I see you trying to be clever when you are obviously not. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 15:09:57 GMT
The Labour Party stands between the centre ground and the Left, one way of describing the party is that it is between "Social Democratic" and "Socialist". Under Jeremy Corbyn and until fairly recently the Labour Party veered more towards the "Socialist" Left and away from the "Social Democratic" and "Middle Ground". The Conservative Party is experiencing something very similar to what happened to the Labour Party, except that the moderates won the battle for Labour and now control it ..... the battle for the Conservative Party is on-going, and it will carry on after the general election. People like Reece-Mogg, Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson are not traditional Conservatives These people belong to the populist Right, some would say "Far right", as opposed to "extreme right" which would include the likes of the BNP, Britain First etc. But make no mistake, though these people are not Neo-Nazis, theyare part way on the path which leads to the extreme right. Many Tories have criticised Reform UK and Nigel Farage for thir use of language directed at immigrants and immigration, including David Cameron. Over the D Day commemoration weekend I saw lots of meme's and posters on social media asking why Nigel Farage got involved in the commemorations, because "His Side Lost". It all started like this in 1930s Germany, blame the immigrants and blame the Jews, they are taking our jobs, and they are the reason we are poor. It all started like this in 1920s Russia: Blame the bourgeoisie, they are exploiting your labour, and they are the reason you are poor.
So they killed them all, but the poor still stayed poor.
That's socialism for you.
And though Starmer, Rayner et al are not Stalinists, they are well down the path which leads to left wing totalitarianism.
Hmm, or maybe Communism for you? Your last comment proves just how far away from reality your mind is, why do you insist on exposing your confused mind? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 15, 2024 15:12:32 GMT
Hitler's Handmaidens on Sky History channel 123 TV. I do hope Rightists are watching this informative documentary. LOL, you're a tad confused, as usual. 'Righties' don't want history cancelled, men in women's sport, children to have the vote, police in rainbow helmets & rainbow cars, diversity quotas, gender ideology taught in schools, etc etc. All this bullshit and more, is what a minority of ideologically deranged authoritarian lefties who have a lot in common with the Hitler Youth insist should be imposed on the vast majority whether they like it or not. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 15:13:30 GMT
Which could have taken years of financial struggle to build up. Did it? Or is this just waffle? Some hard facts about the fine toolmaker would be useful. Come on, you know the meaning of the words 'could have'. It certainly doesn't mean 'did take'. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 15, 2024 15:22:32 GMT
Why are you running away from the simple question I asked you? Comprehension problems? Trying to stop digging the hole you'd dug? I'm not running away from anything, so far in my life I have never had to. I'm a little surprised that you felt the need to ask your question but judging by your post ^^^ I see you trying to be clever when you are obviously not. Still running away from that hole you dug? Why not just answer the simple question I asked (this is the third time of asking) ? You disagree with unnecessary violence so what is your definition of ''necessary violence'' |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 15:24:30 GMT
Hitler's Handmaidens on Sky History channel 123 TV. I do hope Rightists are watching this informative documentary. LOL, you're a tad confused, as usual. 'Righties' don't want history cancelled, men in women's sport, children to have the vote, police in rainbow helmets & rainbow cars, diversity quotas, gender ideology taught in schools, etc etc. All this bullshit and more, is what a minority of ideologically deranged authoritarian lefties who have a lot in common with the Hitler Youth insist should be imposed on the vast majority whether they like it or not. I guess you feel better after getting that political crap off your chest. I can see how your confused mind drags you into the mire of Rightist crapology, which places you nearer to authoritarianism than Starmer. If Labour get elected, and if they are successful in their aims you will see a government that pulls people together, i.e. an ending of the 'them and us' that is the very basis of Conservatism. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 15, 2024 15:27:09 GMT
Well, in a convoluted way, you could be partly right.
The "Far Right" is an invention of the left used to describe anyone they disagree with. So yes, the less we agree with the left the further right you could say we become.
Sort of.
Except that the left themselves are becoming more extreme and dragging the Overton window with them, leaving the centre standing where the right used to be.
So a centrist could apparently become more right wing without actually changing any of their views.
That wouldn't make them actually right wing though.
So you're still wrong. As usual.
You must know the difference between Moderate Left, Hard Left and Far-left. If you don't then I suggest you find a Junior Debating Forum. I know that the difference is entirely subjective. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 15, 2024 15:27:31 GMT
It all started like this in 1920s Russia: Blame the bourgeoisie, they are exploiting your labour, and they are the reason you are poor.
So they killed them all, but the poor still stayed poor.
That's socialism for you.
And though Starmer, Rayner et al are not Stalinists, they are well down the path which leads to left wing totalitarianism.
Hmm, or maybe Communism for you? Your last comment proves just how far away from reality your mind is, why do you insist on exposing your confused mind? The irony!  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jun 15, 2024 15:28:27 GMT
LOL, you're a tad confused, as usual. 'Righties' don't want history cancelled, men in women's sport, children to have the vote, police in rainbow helmets & rainbow cars, diversity quotas, gender ideology taught in schools, etc etc. All this bullshit and more, is what a minority of ideologically deranged authoritarian lefties who have a lot in common with the Hitler Youth insist should be imposed on the vast majority whether they like it or not. I guess you feel better after getting that political crap off your chest. I can see how your confused mind drags you into the mire of Rightist crapology, which places you nearer to authoritarianism than Starmer. If Labour get elected, and if they are successful in their aims you will see a government that pulls people together, i.e. an ending of the 'them and us' that is the very basis of Conservatism. Jeez, you got it bad. |
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