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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 6:53:00 GMT
Correct, but a move to the right of politics puts people closer to the far-right. Well, in a convoluted way, you could be partly right.
The "Far Right" is an invention of the left used to describe anyone they disagree with. So yes, the less we agree with the left the further right you could say we become.
Sort of.
Except that the left themselves are becoming more extreme and dragging the Overton window with them, leaving the centre standing where the right used to be.
So a centrist could apparently become more right wing without actually changing any of their views.
That wouldn't make them actually right wing though.
So you're still wrong. As usual.
You must know the difference between Moderate Left, Hard Left and Far-left. If you don't then I suggest you find a Junior Debating Forum. |
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Post by wapentake on Jun 15, 2024 7:42:54 GMT
Define ''necessary'' violence Really? Is English your first language? Non comprendi   |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 7:46:36 GMT
I must have missed the bit where "He claims to have been deprived of SkyTV as a child". Perhaps you can copy and paste it? --"You'd have thought that as he's trying to pretend to be a man of the people". He wasn't he was being a politician. None or what you post means anything other than you are a Rightist doing what comes naturally i.e. denigrating the opposition as best you can. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 7:50:38 GMT
Really? Is English your first language? Non comprendi Unnecessary i.e. actually, not needed. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 7:54:04 GMT
He experienced hard times as a child, but can now as an educated adult, afford to be well dressed. How did he experience hard times as a child, he was brought up in Oxted Surrey, houses there can fetch £4,000,000 today, ... he was far from 'poor'.
Starmer was born in London and raised in Surrey, where he attended the selective state Reigate Grammar School, which became a private school while he was a student.
Grammar Schools he now wants closing.
Keir Rodney Starmer was born in Southwark, London, on 2 September 1962. He grew up in the small town of Oxted in Surrey.[4][5][6] He was the second of the four children of Josephine (née Baker), a nurse, and Rodney Starmer, who was a toolmaker.
I don't know, but that is what he claims. No one on this board knows whether or not he was deprived in some way as a child. Or suffered in some way as his father worked at building up a business. You don't attend a Grammar school without passing a test. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 8:00:02 GMT
If you move right from the left then you most probably will become far right …See2politics. That might make some sense in your mind, it doesn't in mine. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 8:07:12 GMT
As you say its an informative documentary as are many on the History Channel .Not quite sure why you say Rightists should be watching it though , anyone that isn't aware of German history (1933-45 )should give it a look . Indeed there are many many Documentaries on WW2 WW1 , plus dozens of books , plus other conflicts before long before WW1 and after WW2 But apparently only one documentary on 'Hitler's Handmaidens'. Which highlights the depth of evil and depravity played by so many females in Nazi Germany. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 15, 2024 8:09:55 GMT
How did he experience hard times as a child, he was brought up in Oxted Surrey, houses there can fetch £4,000,000 today, ... he was far from 'poor'.
Starmer was born in London and raised in Surrey, where he attended the selective state Reigate Grammar School, which became a private school while he was a student.
Grammar Schools he now wants closing.
Keir Rodney Starmer was born in Southwark, London, on 2 September 1962. He grew up in the small town of Oxted in Surrey.[4][5][6] He was the second of the four children of Josephine (née Baker), a nurse, and Rodney Starmer, who was a toolmaker.
Daddy owned the business Which could have taken years of financial struggle to build up. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 15, 2024 8:16:28 GMT
He experienced hard times as a child, but can now as an educated adult, afford to be well dressed. Starmer had a chance that he is now trying to deny other children, he was LUCKY enough to go to a Grammar School, and now he wants to punish parents who want to give their children the best education they can ....... not interested in Starmer's hard luck stories.
Starmer was born in London and raised in Surrey, where he attended the selective state Reigate Grammar School, which became a private school while he was a student.
Grammar Schools he now wants closing.
No, what I am saying .... don't tell people they know what it's like not being able to pay bills when you are wearing a £500 coat, it stinks of hypocrisy .. He may be wearing a £500 coat now, but he has working class roots. His father was a toolmaker and his mother had a difficult chronic illness. If he had been raised in a wealthy family and known nothing but wealth and prosperity all his life, then I'd be inclined to think that he might not be able to relate to those who know what it's like not being able to pay bills, but he had humble beginnings, and that is something I don't think anyone ever forgets. I imagine he is grateful for his prosperity and has empathy for people who are struggling, because his own family has been in their shoes. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2024 8:54:40 GMT
It's entirely possible that Starmer is saving money because he buys quality. His £500 coat will probably last years longer than one that is less well constructed and of poorer quality fabric. Most of the people he represents don't get that choice. You can dress a turd in expensive clothes. But it still doesn't hide the fact that it is still a turd beneath those expensive layers. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 15, 2024 8:58:47 GMT
Most of the people he represents don't get that choice. You can dress a turd in expensive clothes. But it still doesn't hide the fact that it is still a turd beneath those expensive layers. Rodeny is a con artist, me and you can wear our £500 coats because we don't go round patronising the poor, he has no empathy with the poor, he looks down his snooty nose at everyone. Sir Rodney, once he's PM he wont give these people the time of day, he'll be too busy arse licking his EU cronies. |
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Post by Handyman on Jun 15, 2024 9:08:32 GMT
Indeed there are many many Documentaries on WW2 WW1 , plus dozens of books , plus other conflicts before long before WW1 and after WW2 But apparently only one documentary on 'Hitler's Handmaidens'. Which highlights the depth of evil and depravity played by so many females in Nazi Germany. The role of women in Hitlers Germany is well known fully documented and filmed by his propaganda unit at the time Hitler started his ambitions way back in 1919 he fought on the Western Front and was made a Corporal hence his nickname " Little Corporal " Germany lost millions of men the Germans were humiliated by losing the war Germany was bankrupt, due to having to pay reparations for the war. Hitler after being released from Prison was already climbing the ladder to his dream to control the entire population and state bodies every aspect of Germany he started killing people the mentally ill, deformed people , and of course people opposed to his aims, in the 30's when the worldwide depression hit the world the Americans called in the huge loans they had lent Germany, which gave Hitler more control When Hindenburg died Hitler by was in place to take over Germany completely, the rest is history which people of a certain age know |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 15, 2024 9:12:37 GMT
He experienced hard times as a child, but can now as an educated adult, afford to be well dressed. How did he experience hard times as a child, he was brought up in Oxted Surrey, houses there can fetch £4,000,000 today, ... he was far from 'poor'.
Starmer was born in London and raised in Surrey, where he attended the selective state Reigate Grammar School, which became a private school while he was a student.
Grammar Schools he now wants closing.
Keir Rodney Starmer was born in Southwark, London, on 2 September 1962. He grew up in the small town of Oxted in Surrey.[4][5][6] He was the second of the four children of Josephine (née Baker), a nurse, and Rodney Starmer, who was a toolmaker.
. No one on this board knows whether or not he was deprived in some way as a child. Or suffered in some way as his father worked at building up a business. You don't attend a Grammar school without passing a test. Why are you contradicting yourself then?
First you post 'He experienced hard times as a child' ..
Then you post 'I don't know, but that is what he claims'?
So no fact finding on your part, you just believe whatever Rodney tells you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2024 9:43:08 GMT
1. In 1993, the UK had an annual net immigration figure of about zero. Thirty years later, in 2023, it had an annual net immigration figure of 685,000. How do you feel about this change?a. It just goes to show how much Rishi Sunak’s racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic, Little Englander Tory Government hates migrants. The 2023 figure should have been at least twice as high.
b. I can’t see any problems with it. Certainly not in the charming, peaceful and expensive middle-class suburb where I live.
c. Now you put it like that, the 2023 figure does seem a trifle on the steep side. 2. Do women have penises?a. Obviously. Come on, this is basic biology. As of about 2015.
b. Oh, must we really keep on stoking these beastly culture wars? What’s wrong with placing convicted rapists in a prison full of women, anyway?
c. Er… no? 3. Last Saturday the IDF rescued four Israeli hostages from Gaza. What was your reaction?a. Like every other decent, compassionate human being, I was utterly appalled by the premeditated slaughter of innocent Hamas operatives.
b. Both sides should just set aside their differences and live in peace. Why does no one seem to have thought of this?
c. If Hamas didn’t want the IDF to launch an armed operation to rescue the hostages, perhaps they shouldn’t have taken the hostages in the first place. 4. Last month, a councillor in Leeds ended his local elections acceptance speech by screaming, “Allahu Akbar!” How did you feel about this?a. There was nothing remotely sinister or threatening about it at all. As anyone who knows the first thing about Islamic culture can tell you, it actually translates as “happy birthday”.
b. Do we really have to dwell on this sort of thing? It’s all terribly awkward and uncomfortable. Look, let’s just keep our heads down, and I’m sure it’ll all blow over.
c. He may well be a very nice man once you get to know him, but I can’t say I’ve got any immediate plans to invite him over for wine and nibbles.
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Mostly a: Congratulations! You’re a progressive. You therefore hold all the approved opinions about today’s key issues.
Mostly b: You’re a centrist. As a result, you believe in moderation, nuance, and never expressing any opinion that might damage your standing in fashionable circles. If Person X argues that 2+2=4 and Person Y argues that 2+2=5, you propose a sensible compromise of 4½.
Mostly c: You far-Right, bigoted, hate-filled, genocidal, transphobic Zionist. You are literally Hitler.
Keep up the good work, See2.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 15, 2024 10:03:13 GMT
The Labour Party stands between the centre ground and the Left, one way of describing the party is that it is between "Social Democratic" and "Socialist".
Under Jeremy Corbyn and until fairly recently the Labour Party veered more towards the "Socialist" Left and away from the "Social Democratic" and "Middle Ground".
The Conservative Party is experiencing something very similar to what happened to the Labour Party, except that the moderates won the battle for Labour and now control it ..... the battle for the Conservative Party is on-going, and it will carry on after the general election.
People like Reece-Mogg, Nigel Farage and Lee Anderson are not traditional Conservatives
These people belong to the populist Right, some would say "Far right", as opposed to "extreme right" which would include the likes of the BNP, Britain First etc.
But make no mistake, though these people are not Neo-Nazis, theyare part way on the path which leads to the extreme right.
Many Tories have criticised Reform UK and Nigel Farage for thir use of language directed at immigrants and immigration, including David Cameron.
Over the D Day commemoration weekend I saw lots of meme's and posters on social media asking why Nigel Farage got involved in the commemorations, because "His Side Lost".
It all started like this in 1930s Germany, blame the immigrants and blame the Jews, they are taking our jobs, and they are the reason we are poor.
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