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Post by Bentley on Jun 27, 2024 11:30:22 GMT
I don’t have to indulge your obfuscation ,you sllly old fart . You told us that Starmer said “I would describe myself as a socialist.” and then told us he wasn’t . So either Starmer is lying , Starmer doesn’t know what Socialism is or you are a liar and/ or you don’t know what Socialism is. This has been explained to you several times no more than one poster . Pointing out your idiocy isn’t whinging . Your silliness aimed at ignoring the reality has been destroyed many times. Nothing could prove your silliness more than your refusal to answer my questions, AND YOU KNOW IT. The only thing that has been destroyed is the credibility of a deluded geriatric who posts shit …That’s you . |
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Post by ratcliff on Jun 27, 2024 12:09:13 GMT
My wealth is doing fantastic thank you ... that's why I do not want a Labour government in.
I want you to answer me this.... none of your bullshit avoidance tactic... I want a straight 'honest' answer for a change.
If you reckon Labour/Starmer are going to 'increase wealth and stability. for the many'
Answer me this, do you think it's only the wealthy who drive cars?
Starmer/Labour government are going to CLOBBER drivers/road uses, they are making a FUCKIN fortune out of the many including YOU.
They are going to price drivers off the roads, that would include mainly the MANY LESS WELL OFF, the wealthy will be able to afford their charges.
20mpz ULEZ all a big fat Labour money making con... the poor will not be able to afford to keep their old bangers on the road.
The benefit of a healthy economy and healthy people for the country goes far beyond your personal wealth. The highlighted part of your post is opinionated nonsense. Silly question. ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing. Its just Conservative nonsense 'Project Fear' to imply it will be spread by a Labour government.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 27, 2024 12:21:33 GMT
The benefit of a healthy economy and healthy people for the country goes far beyond your personal wealth. The highlighted part of your post is opinionated nonsense. Silly question. ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing. Its just Conservative nonsense 'Project Fear' to imply it will be spread by a Labour government.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more Exactly the huge death toll in London is due to out of control gun and knife crime, not a puff of smoke out of someones exhaust. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 28, 2024 6:39:34 GMT
Your silliness aimed at ignoring the reality has been destroyed many times. Nothing could prove your silliness more than your refusal to answer my questions, AND YOU KNOW IT. The only thing that has been destroyed is the credibility of a deluded geriatric who posts shit …That’s you . Says the knobhead who refuses to answer my questions knowing that the answers to my questions would dump your stupid position in the sewer where it belongs. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 28, 2024 6:49:56 GMT
The benefit of a healthy economy and healthy people for the country goes far beyond your personal wealth. The highlighted part of your post is opinionated nonsense. Silly question. ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing. Its just Conservative nonsense 'Project Fear' to imply it will be spread by a Labour government.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more Google it, I did and this is what I got -- "In fact, the greatest number of deaths related to air pollution occur in outer London areas. That's why the ULEZ operates across all London boroughs, to help give the five million Londoners in outer boroughs clearer air to breathe too." -- The problem is that Right-Wingers are pretty stupid. Its a specific area of the UK in a reply to a Rightist idiot who claims Labour would spread it across the whole of the UK. You are entitled to your opinion. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 28, 2024 7:18:33 GMT
There is something rather bizarre in having a clean air zone with the UK's busiest 8 lane motorway and Europes top airport within it...
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Post by Tinculin on Jun 28, 2024 8:15:22 GMT
The only thing that has been destroyed is the credibility of a deluded geriatric who posts shit …That’s you . Says the knobhead who refuses to answer my questions knowing that the answers to my questions would dump your stupid position in the sewer where it belongs.
The next one of you who makes a personal attack on the other is getting banned.
No, I am not joking. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 28, 2024 8:48:59 GMT
There is something rather bizarre in having a clean air zone with the UK's busiest 8 lane motorway and Europes top airport within it... Many people are getting wealthy off us having clean air, it's one of the biggest money making rackets going, probably exceeding the drugs trade. ..... only difference being one is legal and one isn't. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 28, 2024 9:02:19 GMT
The benefit of a healthy economy and healthy people for the country goes far beyond your personal wealth. The highlighted part of your post is opinionated nonsense. Silly question. ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing. Its just Conservative nonsense 'Project Fear' to imply it will be spread by a Labour government.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more
• With the adoption of the Mayor’s air quality policies and taking into account general air pollution trends, the average life expectancy of a child born in London in 2013 would improve by around 5 to 6 months.
• Without the Mayor’s air quality policies and other general air pollution trends, a child born in 2013 would lose 7 to 11 months life expectancy due to air pollution.erg.ic.ac.uk/research/home/resources/ERG_ImperialCollegeLondon_HIA_AQ_LDN_11012021.pdfI guess a few extra months of life is worth throwing away to allow current oil burners to go shopping and take the kids to school… |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 28, 2024 9:05:58 GMT
ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more
• With the adoption of the Mayor’s air quality policies and taking into account general air pollution trends, the average life expectancy of a child born in London in 2013 would improve by around 5 to 6 months.
• Without the Mayor’s air quality policies and other general air pollution trends, a child born in 2013 would lose 7 to 11 months life expectancy due to air pollution.erg.ic.ac.uk/research/home/resources/ERG_ImperialCollegeLondon_HIA_AQ_LDN_11012021.pdfI guess a few extra months of life is worth throwing away to allow current oil burners to go shopping and take the kids to school… That report has been comprehensively debunked, with only one death proven to be down to pollutants. |
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Post by patman post on Jun 28, 2024 10:12:39 GMT
• In 2019, in Greater London, the equivalent of between 3,600 to 4,100 deaths (61,800 to 70,200 life years lost1) were estimated to be attributable to human-made PM2.5 and NO2, considering that health effects exist even at very low levels. This calculation is for deaths from all causes including respiratory, lung cancer and cardiovascular deaths.
• With the adoption of the Mayor’s air quality policies and taking into account general air pollution trends, the average life expectancy of a child born in London in 2013 would improve by around 5 to 6 months.
• Without the Mayor’s air quality policies and other general air pollution trends, a child born in 2013 would lose 7 to 11 months life expectancy due to air pollution.erg.ic.ac.uk/research/home/resources/ERG_ImperialCollegeLondon_HIA_AQ_LDN_11012021.pdfI guess a few extra months of life is worth throwing away to allow current oil burners to go shopping and take the kids to school… That report has been comprehensively debunked, with only one death proven to be down to pollutants. Linking to a credible debunking (comprehensive or otherwise) might help your argument.
The 1952 London Smog — during which 4,000 are known to have died — had particulates, carbon dioxide, hydrochloric acid, fluorine compounds, sulphur dioxide.
Although air pollution problems in London have changed with the shift from solid fuel burning to gas — some similar pollutants are still produced by the principal source of pollution in London, road traffic. And “photochemical smogs” can still be seen on calm winter days in London through chemical reactions in the atmosphere and are principally related to road traffic emissions.
Air pollution is the most significant environmental health risk in the European Region. In the WHO European Region, 569 000 deaths could be attributed to ambient air pollution. Transport significantly contributes to this.
Transport is responsible for about a quarter of energy-related greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to the health burden of climate change and air pollution.
Forty-year old classic/historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ restrictions — and some 25-year old vehicles are ULEZ compliant, as are some 10-year-old oil burners.
Seems fair enough — who wants old bangers chugging around London streets...?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 28, 2024 10:23:25 GMT
That report has been comprehensively debunked, with only one death proven to be down to pollutants. Linking to a credible debunking (comprehensive or otherwise) might help your argument....
"There was 1 death registered in London in the period 2001 to 2021 which had exposure to air pollution recorded on the death certificate".
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Post by patman post on Jun 28, 2024 10:25:17 GMT
There is something rather bizarre in having a clean air zone with the UK's busiest 8 lane motorway and Europes top airport within it... Many people are getting wealthy healthy off us having clean air, it's one of the biggest money making rackets going, probably exceeding the drugs trade. ..... only difference being one is legal and one isn't. Admittedly, there are people are making money from clean air solutions, though I'm not sure I agree with your OTT observations.
Reducing vehicle use and making them less polluting seem laudable aims — but I suggest there needs to be more finessing of cycle lanes, LTNs, and road signage to get the remaining traffic flowing easily...
PS — apologies for tampering with your post...
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 28, 2024 10:34:22 GMT
Many people are getting wealthy healthy off us having clean air, it's one of the biggest money making rackets going, probably exceeding the drugs trade. ..... only difference being one is legal and one isn't. Admittedly, there are people are making money from clean air solutions, though I'm not sure I agree with your OTT observations.
Reducing vehicle use and making them less polluting seem laudable aims — but I suggest there needs to be more finessing of cycle lanes, LTNs, and road signage to get the remaining traffic flowing easily...
PS — apologies for tampering with your post...
At this sort of money it would make anyone sell the climate con ..
Global climate finance was estimated to have reached around $1.3 trillion per year in 2021/2022. However, much more is needed to keep global temperature rises within 1.5°C and avoid the worst impacts of climate change
I'm seriously considering jumping on the climate bandwagon ... I may as well get a piece of the action.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 28, 2024 10:37:32 GMT
ULEZ was introduced in a specific area because of the ill health pollution was causing.
Problem with elderly lefty fanastists like you is that they have no basis in reality - you seriously believe that some 10m people (population of London)are ill from pollution ? I'd hardly call every inch of the London boroughs a ''specific area'' - it's circa 150 square miles - much of which is not urban ULEZ is a moneyspinner , nothing more
• With the adoption of the Mayor’s air quality policies and taking into account general air pollution trends, the average life expectancy of a child born in London in 2013 would improve by around 5 to 6 months.
• Without the Mayor’s air quality policies and other general air pollution trends, a child born in 2013 would lose 7 to 11 months life expectancy due to air pollution.erg.ic.ac.uk/research/home/resources/ERG_ImperialCollegeLondon_HIA_AQ_LDN_11012021.pdfI guess a few extra months of life is worth throwing away to allow current oil burners to go shopping and take the kids to school… All areas, whether in a clean air zone or not, saw a reduction in air pollution. It's amazing what increased emissions regulations on new cars achieve. |
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