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Post by sheepy on Jun 20, 2024 9:39:49 GMT
Farage isn't causing the populists a problem, he is doing us a favour, he probably doesn't realise it, but then this is politics, I don't have to do anything if I don't want too. Reform paid an agency £140 grand to select the candidates to run in this election. Have a long think about the kind of person who would think of doing that. I'm just giving you a peak behind the scenes here. Well very good of you I am sure, but the populists seem to be doing just fine with you arguing the toss about what we are and what we should be. We don't have an identity crisis the Westminster party does. Lets face it, they cannot work out the difference between an illegal immigrant and a migrant, or a man and woman. Seems to be they have fecked themselves with spreading their own brand of confusion. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2024 9:58:45 GMT
I think that Gavin Barwell got it right on Peston last night. Some people won't vote Tory as they are too right wing for them. Some people won't vote Tory as they are not ring wing enough for them. At present they are serving nobody. Well the move to the Left which was led by people like Barwell hasn't exactly worked out well for them - if people want centre left policies they already have Labour and the LibDems who can deliver, the Tories are fishing in a very overcrowded pool |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 20, 2024 10:03:23 GMT
I think that Gavin Barwell got it right on Peston last night. Some people won't vote Tory as they are too right wing for them. Some people won't vote Tory as they are not ring wing enough for them. At present they are serving nobody. Well the move to the Left which was led by people like Barwell hasn't exactly worked out well for them - if people want centre left policies they already have Labour and the LibDems who can deliver, the Tories are fishing in a very overcrowded pool That may appeal to your core voters, but to win an election you've also got to appeal to moderate voters too. The current government is managing to piss off both, which is actually quite an achievement. I do wonder if Rishi called the election early as he couldn't see a way out, knew he was going to lose (or even actively campaigned to lose), and just wanted Labour to pick the problems up. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 20, 2024 10:09:21 GMT
Reform paid an agency £140 grand to select the candidates to run in this election. Have a long think about the kind of person who would think of doing that. I'm just giving you a peak behind the scenes here. Well very good of you I am sure, but the populists seem to be doing just fine with you arguing the toss about what we are and what we should be. We don't have an identity crisis the Westminster party does. Lets face it, they cannot work out the difference between an illegal immigrant and a migrant, or a man and woman. Seems to be they have fecked themselves with spreading their own brand of confusion. I'm getting the impression it is a case of 'same clowns but with prettier faces'. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 20, 2024 10:17:35 GMT
Well the move to the Left which was led by people like Barwell hasn't exactly worked out well for them - if people want centre left policies they already have Labour and the LibDems who can deliver, the Tories are fishing in a very overcrowded pool That may appeal to your core voters, but to win an election you've also got to appeal to moderate voters too. The current government is managing to piss off both, which is actually quite an achievement. I do wonder if Rishi called the election early as he couldn't see a way out, knew he was going to lose (or even actively campaigned to lose), and just wanted Labour to pick the problems up. I dunno - Boris appealing to their core vote won them a 80 seat majority last time. Barwell was in charge when they pushed his 'inclusive' policy program to appeal to moderate voters and they lost the majority they currently had to Jeremy Corbyn of all people. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 20, 2024 10:21:43 GMT
Well the move to the Left which was led by people like Barwell hasn't exactly worked out well for them - if people want centre left policies they already have Labour and the LibDems who can deliver, the Tories are fishing in a very overcrowded pool That may appeal to your core voters, but to win an election you've also got to appeal to moderate voters too. The current government is managing to piss off both, which is actually quite an achievement. I do wonder if Rishi called the election early as he couldn't see a way out, knew he was going to lose (or even actively campaigned to lose), and just wanted Labour to pick the problems up. The idiot called a snap GE for July because he was told his Rwanda flights had no chance of taking off.
He shot himself in the foot 'guaranteeing' flights would take off in July, hence the reason he had no choice but to called the snap GE, because come August, September, October then November and no flights had taken off he's already lost all credibility and lost the GE anyway ... it was do or die for him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2024 10:25:20 GMT
Well the move to the Left which was led by people like Barwell hasn't exactly worked out well for them - if people want centre left policies they already have Labour and the LibDems who can deliver, the Tories are fishing in a very overcrowded pool The current government is managing to piss off both, which is actually quite an achievement. I do wonder if Rishi called the election early as he couldn't see a way out, knew he was going to lose (or even actively campaigned to lose), and just wanted Labour to pick the problems up. That makes makes no sense. It's like saying England has always been extremist for being majority conservative for the last century or so. The Tories won with a large majority under Boris. As far as I'm concerned he should still be PM, and that the electorate should have been given the opportunity to vote them out. It was Labour's PIE woman and a load of filthy corrupt establishment worms that forced him out, where we eventually ended up with Rishi who shat all over those who voted for the Tories, because he's a corrupt lying New Labour worm. Reform is the only party that stands out from this corrupt left-wing establishment and that's why the estabilshment is screaming far-right, because the establishment is extremist.
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Post by om15 on Jun 20, 2024 11:37:54 GMT
I wonder how enthusiastic those who support Starmer will be in three years time when the full horrors of untrammeled socialism become apparent. They have concealed the agenda, but those of us of a certain age are fully aware of what is coming.
One ray of hope is that Farage seems to be gaining support from the young people, as these have not experienced blackouts, three day weeks, inflation, super taxation, rubbish and dead bodies in the streets and Red Robbo their support for him will only grow as events unfold.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 20, 2024 14:52:01 GMT
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