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Post by borchester on Jun 13, 2024 5:19:13 GMT
Such a star that man is ! The whole country will wallow in gold !
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Post by Handyman on Jun 13, 2024 5:44:41 GMT
As per usual in the run up to any GE " Jam Tomorrow"
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 13, 2024 7:15:28 GMT
Well it would be a first to be personally better off under a labour government
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2024 8:06:00 GMT
I do hope that they put in place policies to increase growth - but we need to see some detail rather than just some bland words.
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Post by Totheleft on Jun 13, 2024 8:49:07 GMT
Labour are better at handing the economy. Over the past century of governments, the Conservatives achieved slightly higher mean growth per quarter (0.62% vs 0.56%), Labour achieved a slightly higher median (0.62% versus 0.58%). In other words, when you add together all the quarterly growth numbers of both parties and divide them by the number of quarters in question, the Conservatives come out on top. But when you take the middle number of each parties’ quarterly growth figures, Labour comes out on top. Incidentally, this analysis does not include the impact of COVID on the economy – including that makes Labour’s performance look better. theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368t’s fair to say that GDP was generally better under Labour, but only up until the financial crisis. Of course, the crisis was a global phenomenon that would have hit Britain no matter which party was in government. But critics say Labour could have done more to limit the impact. Since then, growth has slowed significantly under the Conservatives. But whether this is because of government policy, or the continuing repercussions of the financial crash, is up for debate. GDP is widely seen as one the most important ways to assess economic prosperity, attempting to measure the overall state of the country’s finances in a single number. It’s a good starting point but, by it’s nature, it doesn’t show us the nuances and details. Earnings and income inequality Again, this is heavily affected by the global financial crisis, so using this as a measure of a government’s success is tricky. Statistically, the Conservatives have presided over a far slower growth in earnings than Labour, on average. Median gross annual earnings grew by an average of £638 in the six Labour years from 2005-2010 (inclusive). Then, under the Conservatives, they grew by an average of just £389 per year between 2011-2016. But the worst year since the nineties was in 2010, when median gross earnings rose by just 0.3 per cent. This was a crossover year, when the the government switched from Labour to Conservative. www.google.com/search?q=labour+party+better+ecomically+then+conservartives&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB1114&oq=labour+party+better+ecomically+then+conservartives&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTUyNjg3ajBqMagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#:~:text=FactCheck%20Q%26A,their%20track%20records%2C%C2%A0... who can argue with that
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2024 9:25:47 GMT
I do hope that they put in place policies to increase growth - but we need to see some detail rather than just some bland words. Nah, it's all talk. They'll flood the country with even more third worlders, which will create even more scarcity where people will be competing for the same low paid jobs. Public spending will have to increase to compensate people on low paid work and house, feed and cloth the rest of the baggage. They'll be talking about increasing GDP, but this is just code for more third world cheap labour and a way to avoid talking about public spending, which will easily offset any feeble claims of growth, especially since Starmmer wants to increase military spending on top of all this.
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Post by piglet on Jun 13, 2024 9:46:42 GMT
We need a major revamp of everything. Can a watch fix itself?, let me answer that......NO.
The Tories are finished, when Labour take over the electorate will realise that Labour are worse, where then?
The knackers yard.
We need new blood, new thinking, not damaged idiocy.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 10:09:43 GMT
Labour are better at handing the economy. I hate to break this to you, but they're both crap. Forget partisan tribalism for a moment, they're both useless. All parties have some good people in them, even Labour, BUT, governments need to be sacked from time to time. Labour needed sacking in 2005, weren't, muddled on and got sacked massively in 2010 instead. The Tories have needed sacking since about 2015, but weren't because Labour didn't learn from their past mistakes, made more and made themselves unelectable.
Turnout will be the thing to watch. If it's lower than 60% that's bad. If it's lower than 50% it's terrible.
If turnout falls as low as it did in our EU elections when we were members of that, that would be disastrous.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2024 10:23:00 GMT
I do hope that they put in place policies to increase growth - but we need to see some detail rather than just some bland words. Nah, it's all talk. They'll flood the country with even more third worlders, which will create even more scarcity where people will be competing for the same low paid jobs. Public spending will have to increase to compensate people on low paid work and house, feed and cloth the rest of the baggage. They'll be talking about increasing GDP, but this is just code for more third world cheap labour and a way to avoid talking about public spending, which will easily offset any feeble claims of growth, especially since Starmmer wants to increase military spending on top of all this. That is what I am afraid of - at the moment every policy announcement has been harmful to growth in the economy, so they would need to pull some rabbits out of the that hat to start growth moving.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 13, 2024 10:40:33 GMT
Ouch!
Labour’s costings document shows net tax rises of £8.5 billion in 2028-29.
Add that to current OBR forecast, and tax as a share of GDP rises to 37.4%.
That’s higher than 1948 record of 37.2%, (current burden is 36.3%)
The highest in history.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 13, 2024 10:49:08 GMT
Ouch! Labour’s costings document shows net tax rises of £8.5 billion in 2028-29. Add that to current OBR forecast, and tax as a share of GDP rises to 37.4%. That’s higher than 1948 record of 37.2%, (current burden is 36.3%) The highest in history. Quelle surprise. Just Labour doing what Labour always do.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 13, 2024 10:56:59 GMT
Well it would be a first to be personally better off under a labour government Made possible by the Tories being so utterly corrupt as well.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 13, 2024 11:10:53 GMT
Just another entry for the booker award for fiction.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 13, 2024 11:13:35 GMT
Promises promises promises.
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Post by Vinny on Jun 13, 2024 11:14:41 GMT
Cut tax on poor raise tax on rich. Refocus NHS priorities towards cancer treatment, cardio vascular treatment, sepsis treatment, get them prioritising the patients who would die without help.
If people want sex change operations, let them go private and pay for the removal of their privates.... Let the NHS offer mental health services instead of the surgery.
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