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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 8, 2024 11:46:32 GMT
'Course Starmer's the leader...
Typical Rightist denigration from someone who claims not to be a Right winger. LOL... |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 8, 2024 11:48:39 GMT
So, See2 instead of using your broken record book of phrases calling other posters names, why can't you add to this debate?
As Starmer's biggest fan on this forum, what's your take on Labour not having Unites backing of its manifesto?
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 8, 2024 11:49:49 GMT
Labour have watered down their worker's rights proposals.
Worker's union is unhappy with that.
I would have preferred that Labour had stuck to their guns with their original proposals.
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Post by witchfinder on Jun 8, 2024 15:43:02 GMT
Problem is we dont know the full facts about what the original proposals were, or what the new proposals are until the manifesto is published.
What I do know is that in SOME industries, a zero hours contract is hard to avoid, particularly industries which heavily rely upon the weather for example.
But in MOST industries a Zero Hours contract is totally avoidable, as in shops, construction, retail, pubs, most of manufacturing etc.
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 8, 2024 15:48:56 GMT
Problem is we dont know the full facts about what the original proposals were, or what the new proposals are until the manifesto is published. What I do know is that in SOME industries, a zero hours contract is hard to avoid, particularly industries which heavily rely upon the weather for example. But in MOST industries a Zero Hours contract is totally avoidable, as in shops, construction, retail, pubs, most of manufacturing etc. Zero hours contracts should be outlawed |
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Post by Bentley on Jun 8, 2024 15:54:46 GMT
Problem is we dont know the full facts about what the original proposals were, or what the new proposals are until the manifesto is published. What I do know is that in SOME industries, a zero hours contract is hard to avoid, particularly industries which heavily rely upon the weather for example. But in MOST industries a Zero Hours contract is totally avoidable, as in shops, construction, retail, pubs, most of manufacturing etc. Zero hours contracts should be outlawed I agree , as long as that doesn’t mean agency or bank work is abolished. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:04:08 GMT
Typical Rightist denigration from someone who claims not to be a Right winger. LOL... Yes, I thought it was laughable as well  |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:07:20 GMT
Problem is we dont know the full facts about what the original proposals were, or what the new proposals are until the manifesto is published. What I do know is that in SOME industries, a zero hours contract is hard to avoid, particularly industries which heavily rely upon the weather for example. But in MOST industries a Zero Hours contract is totally avoidable, as in shops, construction, retail, pubs, most of manufacturing etc. Zero hours contracts should be outlawed I believe there are some people who can and want to make use of it. Perhaps it should be offered as optional? |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 8, 2024 16:10:11 GMT
Zero hours contracts should be outlawed I agree , as long as that doesn’t mean agency or bank work is abolished. Not quite sure what you mean by bank work but for sure agency work has always been regarded as temporary staff so could see that being outside any legislation . But its something Im really against , not getting a full days pay when you turn up for work is the pits and is normally caused by greedy or bad management |
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Post by Dogburger on Jun 8, 2024 16:11:25 GMT
Zero hours contracts should be outlawed I believe there are some people who can and want to make use of it. Perhaps it should be offered as optional? Trouble with optional is that people are forced to take the option |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:14:35 GMT
Labour have watered down their worker's rights proposals. Worker's union is unhappy with that. I would have preferred that Labour had stuck to their guns with their original proposals. Problem for Labour is, that they want to govern 'for the many not the few', that means that not everything they do will be done for the average working individual. They will have to consider some of the needs of employers, entrepreneurs, Businesses and so on, as well as the workers. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:16:31 GMT
I believe there are some people who can and want to make use of it. Perhaps it should be offered as optional? Trouble with optional is that people are forced to take the option Yes I get your point, but that is not optional, it would be up to the government to enforce optional. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:27:35 GMT
So, See2 instead of using your broken record book of phrases calling other posters names, why can't you add to this debate? As Starmer's biggest fan on this forum, what's your take on Labour not having Unites backing of its manifesto? If you post as if you were not using your broken record book etc. I might answer your question. As it is you start with typical overused Rightest insults, denigration and lies. The level of Rightist lies, denigration and exaggerations is so frequent on this forum that I do spend some time pointing it out. Because their 70% of domination of parliament using lies, denigration and deception is what has held this country back since 1951. I am not Starmer's biggest fan, but I would like to see him given a chance as PM, if he never gets the chance to show what he can do, then we will never know will we? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jun 8, 2024 16:30:08 GMT
Trouble with optional is that people are forced to take the option Yes I get your point, but that is not optional, it would be up to the government to enforce optional. Nothing is optional when the government implement T&Cs, which restrict hours of work or be penalised with Universal Credit/Tax/Family credit cuts.
It's exposed that 'carer allowance' for those who are carers have to abide by a strict rule of working hours... fuck them, just put people in to care or hospitals will cost the government of the day a fortune ........ carers the unsung hero's saving the NHS a absolute fortune.
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Post by see2 on Jun 8, 2024 16:37:15 GMT
Yes I get your point, but that is not optional, it would be up to the government to enforce optional. Nothing is optional when the government implement T&Cs, which restrict hours of work or be penalised with Universal Credit/Tax/Family credit cuts.
It's exposed that 'carer allowance' for those who are carers have to abide by a strict rule of working hours... fuck them, just put people in to care or hospitals will cost the government of the day a fortune ........ carers the unsung hero's saving the NHS a absolute fortune.
I agree, my point is that some people depend on that system because it suits their lifestyle. If it is actually made optional and reinforced as optional then no problem, otherwise it isn't optional. |
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