Anyone watch Sunak v Starmer?

Think we are all done with empty gestures, that applies to both Sunak and Starmer.

Blair sold a positive vision in 1997. Starmer is just peddling populist lies to win at all costs. Worst of all, the idiot has totally boxed himself into a corner by going on about high taxes so won't be able to do anything of value when he wins.

Sunak is trapped by the right of his party, and has to keep peddling utter garbage policies like Rwanda.

Personally, I think both "could" be decent PM's, but they are surrounded by talentless idiots who force them into stupid positions.

Quite depressing really.

According to the mainstream media, the electorate are scared to death of tax rises, but in reality is this really true. ?

How the hell can we have any hope in hell of repairing the damage to the NHS and other public services without any money to do it. It seems ( according to the media ) that Joe Public want first class public services, and tax cuts, we cannot have both.

In previous general elections the Lib Dems made it a policy aim to increase income tax by a penny, and spend it on our NHS, and they increased their votes and seats, this is called .... HONESTY.

Obviously no one wants to be taxed to Kingdom Come, but I am sure that if one of the big parties told it straight to the electorate "we want to raise income tax by a penny to help repair our NHS", I think it would be a vote winner.

BOTH political parties are not coming clean, especially the Tories who vow to cut tax no matter what.

However - the truth might yet come out when the manifestoes are published, with Labours set of plans expected on 13th June.

They'd hire even more diversity managers and staff to wander around corridors holding clipboards trying to look self important

This is what pisses me off about Labour.  They have spent the last two years telling us how high taxes are, which is quite frankly bollocks as we pay far less than most other Western countries.

Now we are going to have a Labour government that can't do shit for 5 years.

Before anybody mentions it, we aren't growing our way out of this either.  The "growth" under New Labour was not real growth, it was a rapid increase in retail spending... funded by an explosion of consumer debt... hence we got fucked so badly during the financial crisis!

We need to find some grown up politicians, who will address the obvious, we are living way beyond our means so its either more austerity or raises taxes.

Labour don't know how to create wealth end of. And no, I didn't watch it. Why the fuck would I bother

Nonsense, the country is highly taxed in UK terms. You are just doing your usual, throwing more shit at Labour.

More shit thrown at Labour, a less biased individual would wait and see.

The growth under New Labour was seen in an expanding economy. Consumer debt was mostly increases in mortgages. Extra borrowing was made available because the Banks thought they had found a way to increase their wealth, which eventually proved to be totally wrong. 
The UK got "fucked" so badly by the 'I F Meltdown' because Thatcher destroyed so much of our internal wealth creation by destroying thousands of UK businesses, and adding millions to the unemployed, which left the New Labour with little option but to rely on Financial Services, which initially appeared to be an excellent decision. 

Educating the electorate to be not so easily led and so easily biased (as in giving Thatcher 11 years as PM) would be an excellent improvement. It could begin with posters like yourself being far less biased and much more objective.