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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 20, 2024 15:40:11 GMT
Interesting highlight showing just how popular Reform were across the country. If you cannot get over 5% support in a constituency you lose your deposit - this is how many lost deposits by party. 🔴Lab 1 (£500) 🔵Con 25 (£12,500) 🟣Ref 31 (£15,500) 🟡LDs 227 (£113,500) 🟢Grn 229 (£114,500) That LibDem number is dire. Doesn't really show much unless we also know how many candidates they stood in total. If Reform only stood 35 Candidates that would be an 88% rejection rate. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jul 20, 2024 15:59:16 GMT
I suffered your stupid comments for far too long on another forum. It is about time you tried being more grown up with your comments. Says the poster who said this to another member, in this very thread: Your hypocrisy is astounding, Tony Blair and Boris Johnson level astounding. All The Best Well I have reached a stage where I realise that it is a waste of time trying to inform people who have bent fixed opinions, so they get a taste of what they deserve. My Rightist comment was in reply to being called a 'lying lefty'. So you have turned my reasonableness into your biased shite, so expected. If only you could drop your blind bias, even just a little bit, I think many people would be happier, including yourself. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 20, 2024 16:04:54 GMT
Says the poster who said this to another member, in this very thread: Your hypocrisy is astounding, Tony Blair and Boris Johnson level astounding. All The Best Well I have reached a stage where I realise that it is a waste of time trying to inform people who have bent fixed opinions, But completely lack the intellectual capacity to turn that realisation back on yourself. Even more hypocrisy! All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 20, 2024 17:07:07 GMT
Interesting highlight showing just how popular Reform were across the country. If you cannot get over 5% support in a constituency you lose your deposit - this is how many lost deposits by party. 🔴Lab 1 (£500) 🔵Con 25 (£12,500) 🟣Ref 31 (£15,500) 🟡LDs 227 (£113,500) 🟢Grn 229 (£114,500) That LibDem number is dire. Of course that's a little irrelevant in a first past the post election. If you don't win the seat it doesn't matter what you scored. Yes, they will lose some deposits, but actually they played the FPTP system very well, hence the six-fold increase in the number of LibDem MPs. Reform scored well overall but only won 5 seats. Now you tell me who was more successful? Oh I agree that in the current system the LIbDems did well - but that just adds to the perception of unfairness. If you can lose your deposit in a third of constituencies and still gain more representation than a party that lost in only 31 then you have to wonder how much longer this system can carry on. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 20, 2024 17:07:52 GMT
Interesting highlight showing just how popular Reform were across the country. If you cannot get over 5% support in a constituency you lose your deposit - this is how many lost deposits by party. 🔴Lab 1 (£500) 🔵Con 25 (£12,500) 🟣Ref 31 (£15,500) 🟡LDs 227 (£113,500) 🟢Grn 229 (£114,500) That LibDem number is dire. Doesn't really show much unless we also know how many candidates they stood in total. If Reform only stood 35 Candidates that would be an 88% rejection rate. All The Best They all stood candidates in almost every constituency. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 20, 2024 17:33:24 GMT
I suffered your stupid comments for far too long on another forum. It is about time you tried being more grown up with your comments. Says the poster who said this to another member, in this very thread: Your hypocrisy is astounding, Tony Blair and Boris Johnson level astounding. All The Best The post from C2 above yours addressed to me starts Hey arse hole,Unbelievable level of hypocrisy |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 20, 2024 17:41:59 GMT
Says the poster who said this to another member, in this very thread: Your hypocrisy is astounding, Tony Blair and Boris Johnson level astounding. All The Best The post from C2 above yours addressed to me starts Hey arse hole,Unbelievable level of hypocrisy I've said it before, but I can't see why anyone bothers interacting with . He never makes an actual point, let alone an evidenced one. He only throws puerile insults (usually "Far right") at anyone that he disagrees with. He really is utterly pointless. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 20, 2024 18:06:05 GMT
Of course that's a little irrelevant in a first past the post election. If you don't win the seat it doesn't matter what you scored. Yes, they will lose some deposits, but actually they played the FPTP system very well, hence the six-fold increase in the number of LibDem MPs. Reform scored well overall but only won 5 seats. Now you tell me who was more successful? Oh I agree that in the current system the LIbDems did well - but that just adds to the perception of unfairness. If you can lose your deposit in a third of constituencies and still gain more representation than a party that lost in only 31 then you have to wonder how much longer this system can carry on. Oh, we agree that the system is unfair and unrepresentative. I'm in favour of PR, and am signed up to the Make Votes Matter campaign. However, there are 3 major points: 1. The 2024 GE was fought under FPTP, same as 2019, whether we like it or not. Labour won way more than half the constituencies, so under that system they get a majority. 2. People may vote differently in a FPTP system, so you can't translate like for like. (I would have voted differently, as would TSM.) 3. Under either FPTP or some form of PR, losses of deposit are irrelevant to the outcome. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 20, 2024 21:14:39 GMT
Oh I agree that in the current system the LIbDems did well - but that just adds to the perception of unfairness. If you can lose your deposit in a third of constituencies and still gain more representation than a party that lost in only 31 then you have to wonder how much longer this system can carry on. Oh, we agree that the system is unfair and unrepresentative. I'm in favour of PR, and am signed up to the Make Votes Matter campaign. However, there are 3 major points: 1. The 2024 GE was fought under FPTP, same as 2019, whether we like it or not. Labour won way more than half the constituencies, so under that system they get a majority. 2. People may vote differently in a FPTP system, so you can't translate like for like. (I would have voted differently, as would TSM.) 3. Under either FPTP or some form of PR, losses of deposit are irrelevant to the outcome. Well loss of deposit correlates to actual support - if the LibDems are unable to gain even 5% support in a third of the country then any claim to represent the people is highly suspect. Seems they only represent a specific set of people in specific areas. But we are where we are - with a government with an overwhelming majority that is only supported by 20% of the population. What could possibly go wrong?... |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 21, 2024 1:45:42 GMT
Oh, we agree that the system is unfair and unrepresentative. I'm in favour of PR, and am signed up to the Make Votes Matter campaign. However, there are 3 major points: 1. The 2024 GE was fought under FPTP, same as 2019, whether we like it or not. Labour won way more than half the constituencies, so under that system they get a majority. 2. People may vote differently in a FPTP system, so you can't translate like for like. (I would have voted differently, as would TSM.) 3. Under either FPTP or some form of PR, losses of deposit are irrelevant to the outcome. Well loss of deposit correlates to actual support - if the LibDems are unable to gain even 5% support in a third of the country then any claim to represent the people is highly suspect. Seems they only represent a specific set of people in specific areas.But we are where we are - with a government with an overwhelming majority that is only supported by 20% of the population. What could possibly go wrong?... Like Reform in Clacton you mean? All The Best |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 21, 2024 4:56:24 GMT
Well loss of deposit correlates to actual support How? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2024 6:56:10 GMT
Well loss of deposit correlates to actual support How? Well Reform saved their deposit in more seats than the LibDems and also got far more votes than the LibDems - how are you measuring support? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jul 21, 2024 7:34:00 GMT
...But we are where we are - with a government with an overwhelming majority that is only supported by 20% of the population. What could possibly go wrong?... Elsewhere, we'd call that a dictatorship. Which is exactly how I consider the current government. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 21, 2024 7:42:11 GMT
Well Reform saved their deposit in more seats than the LibDems and also got far more votes than the LibDems - how are you measuring support? It's a statistic, but I really don't see the relevance? You claim that it's a measure of measuring support, I'm not sure it is, which is why I'm asking how. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 21, 2024 9:48:37 GMT
Well Reform saved their deposit in more seats than the LibDems and also got far more votes than the LibDems - how are you measuring support? It's a statistic, but I really don't see the relevance? You claim that it's a measure of measuring support, I'm not sure it is, which is why I'm asking how. OK - if you dont want to use votes as a measure of support what do you want to use? |
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