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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 16, 2024 10:29:22 GMT
A 'genuine' asylum seeker will be more than happy to escape from whence he came and claim wherever he lands. The asylum system is being usurped and manipulated to allow a multitude of economic migrants, criminals and chancers to elbow their way in. Whingeing about is par for the course as we know it is legal loopholes, cynical lawyers and chancers that are taking us for a ride all in the guise of human rights. It could be fixed tomorrow and the fact it is not is indicative of the fact it is meant to happen and our government will not stop it through a multitude of excuses. 1) Asylum seekers will look for the best place for them to seek asylum, being able to speak the language is one of the main reasons for choice. Safety is another. 2) Nonsense, it is impossible to determine who is a true asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant. That is part of the problem. An economic migrant would want to get registered and find a job so are probably better educated than most and a possible benefit to the UK. The Law is the Law, if you can't change it then don't be doing a Trump act by denigrating the law. Whinging happens when people are discontent but have no answers to the problems around them. While posters like yourself make excuses for whingers. If it could be "fixed tomorrow" it would have been fixed. Your opinions might help you to feel better but they certainly don't help to fix the problem. 1) Well then, if they have the luxury of shopping around for a destination country they probably aren't genuine asylum seekers. 2) No it isn't. If they have proof of who they are, where they are from, and how they have been or are likely to be persecuted by remaining in their country of origin then they are highly likely to be an Asylum Seeker. If they have none of those things, or refuse to disclose them, they are almost certainly an economic migrant. Immigration, from New Labour's time in office to now, has been an unmitigated disaster for almost everyone in the bottom income quintile, and has been detrimental to the majority of those in the 2nd bottom income quintile. Heck, Nu-Lab had a report that showed just that, then - because it showed just that - refused to publish it. All The Best |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 16, 2024 10:31:22 GMT
The law, the application of the law and the upholding of the law is something for the benefit of the citizens of the country within which that law applies and is a binding agreement with them and the government which they elect. International law is a binding agreement on governments in how to consider their own citizens and others in the wider world who happen upon their shore. The two are becoming increasingly incompatible as all laws and their application and enforcement depend on a consensus. So the law is never just the law so be it it has to be a consensus. That consensus for international law has been lost as those who arrive on our beaches are presented with protection of all aspects of the law whereas the ordinary British Citizen finds that the legal framework within which he expects to live is subject to a lack of application and enforcement. Even worse an increasing proportion of that breakdown in the law as applied at home is being brought about by many who land here illegally. These are observations of what is actually happening and in reality it could be fixed tomorrow if laws are applied without fear or favour and if International law allows the breaking of domestic law to go unpunished, which it does, then domestic law should take precedence. There is nothing new about the presence of illegal migrants. The law includes international law the UK has signed up to. So stop playing with words. Just dropping international law could make the way for more international political extremism. As there are very likely to be serious unseen consequences for the dropping of international law. The build up of objection to mass immigration regardless of cause, including by myself is taking place, with many people in many countries being understandably against it. BUT it is replacing present outdated laws with thought out and rationalised alternatives, that would need international cooperation and deep intense thinking about the way ahead that is the problem. In short there is no easy way out of the position countries find themselves in. Pointing out the problems caused by mass immigration, is just a whinge. Try coming up with a positive and legal way of sorting the problem out. Don't dismiss the unexpected consequences of drastic actions. Not if you are none of the people directly affected by those problems. That you think it is a whinge indicates you have benefitted from Mass Immigration - the vast majority have not, which is why Leave won the Brexit debate. All The Best |
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Post by see2 on Jul 16, 2024 10:47:07 GMT
1) Asylum seekers will look for the best place for them to seek asylum, being able to speak the language is one of the main reasons for choice. Safety is another. 2) Nonsense, it is impossible to determine who is a true asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant. That is part of the problem. An economic migrant would want to get registered and find a job so are probably better educated than most and a possible benefit to the UK. The Law is the Law, if you can't change it then don't be doing a Trump act by denigrating the law. Whinging happens when people are discontent but have no answers to the problems around them. While posters like yourself make excuses for whingers. If it could be "fixed tomorrow" it would have been fixed. Your opinions might help you to feel better but they certainly don't help to fix the problem. 1) Well then, if they have the luxury of shopping around for a destination country they probably aren't genuine asylum seekers. 2) No it isn't. If they have proof of who they are, where they are from, and how they have been or are likely to be persecuted by remaining in their country of origin then they are highly likely to be an Asylum Seeker. If they have none of those things, or refuse to disclose them, they are almost certainly an economic migrant. Immigration, from New Labour's time in office to now, has been an unmitigated disaster for almost everyone in the bottom income quintile, and has been detrimental to the majority of those in the 2nd bottom income quintile. Heck, Nu-Lab had a report that showed just that, then - because it showed just that - refused to publish it. All The Best The first aim of an asylum seeker is no doubt to escape, they will at sometime, maybe before they escape, or maybe after they escape, decide there next preference of places to escape to. "highly likely" "almost certainly". Separating the two appears to have given the last government plenty of problems. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 16, 2024 10:54:37 GMT
There is nothing new about the presence of illegal migrants. The law includes international law the UK has signed up to. So stop playing with words. Just dropping international law could make the way for more international political extremism. As there are very likely to be serious unseen consequences for the dropping of international law. The build up of objection to mass immigration regardless of cause, including by myself is taking place, with many people in many countries being understandably against it. BUT it is replacing present outdated laws with thought out and rationalised alternatives, that would need international cooperation and deep intense thinking about the way ahead that is the problem. In short there is no easy way out of the position countries find themselves in. Pointing out the problems caused by mass immigration, is just a whinge. Try coming up with a positive and legal way of sorting the problem out. Don't dismiss the unexpected consequences of drastic actions. Not if you are none of the people directly affected by those problems. That you think it is a whinge indicates you have benefitted from Mass Immigration - the vast majority have not, which is why Leave won the Brexit debate. All The Best Whinging on a forum is a waste of time and fixes nothing, direct action would no doubt be a better way of dealing with problems. Even have a better informed knowledge of the problems might help. I have not benefitted from mass immigration, and I am as much against it as so many others. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 16, 2024 12:17:36 GMT
Not if you are none of the people directly affected by those problems. That you think it is a whinge indicates you have benefitted from Mass Immigration - the vast majority have not, which is why Leave won the Brexit debate. All The Best Whinging on a forum is a waste of time and fixes nothing, direct action would no doubt be a better way of dealing with problems. Even have a better informed knowledge of the problems might help. I have not benefitted from mass immigration, and I am as much against it as so many others. We HAD Direct Action - we voted for Brexit, and you denounced it at every opportunity. Please don't pretend you are against Mass Immigration, you vociferously defended it year after year at the other Forum. All The Best |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 16, 2024 13:50:31 GMT
The law, the application of the law and the upholding of the law is something for the benefit of the citizens of the country within which that law applies and is a binding agreement with them and the government which they elect. International law is a binding agreement on governments in how to consider their own citizens and others in the wider world who happen upon their shore. The two are becoming increasingly incompatible as all laws and their application and enforcement depend on a consensus. So the law is never just the law so be it it has to be a consensus. That consensus for international law has been lost as those who arrive on our beaches are presented with protection of all aspects of the law whereas the ordinary British Citizen finds that the legal framework within which he expects to live is subject to a lack of application and enforcement. Even worse an increasing proportion of that breakdown in the law as applied at home is being brought about by many who land here illegally. These are observations of what is actually happening and in reality it could be fixed tomorrow if laws are applied without fear or favour and if International law allows the breaking of domestic law to go unpunished, which it does, then domestic law should take precedence. There is nothing new about the presence of illegal migrants. The law includes international law the UK has signed up to. So stop playing with words. Just dropping international law could make the way for more international political extremism. As there are very likely to be serious unseen consequences for the dropping of international law. The build up of objection to mass immigration regardless of cause, including by myself is taking place, with many people in many countries being understandably against it. BUT it is replacing present outdated laws with thought out and rationalised alternatives, that would need international cooperation and deep intense thinking about the way ahead that is the problem. In short there is no easy way out of the position countries find themselves in. Pointing out the problems caused by mass immigration, is just a whinge. Try coming up with a positive and legal way of sorting the problem out. Don't dismiss the unexpected consequences of drastic actions. There are many legal ways if domestic law takes precedence over international law and in any case if a National Emergency is declared then that is exactly what happens. We can suspend all sorts of laws and make news ones in the event of an emergency as Covid illustrated only too clearly. We now no longer believe that any hands are tied by both International and domestic law as they can be overcome at the drop of a hat and in every situation the rights of UK citizens can be walked all over if it suits. The 'consequences' are that France and the EU will have to deal with their immigration problems without a pressure valve funneling migrants to the UK. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 16, 2024 13:55:06 GMT
Not if you are none of the people directly affected by those problems. That you think it is a whinge indicates you have benefitted from Mass Immigration - the vast majority have not, which is why Leave won the Brexit debate. All The Best Whinging on a forum is a waste of time and fixes nothing, direct action would no doubt be a better way of dealing with problems. Even have a better informed knowledge of the problems might help. I have not benefitted from mass immigration, and I am as much against it as so many others. Whingeing on a forum is by no means a waste of time it allows judgements on wider opinions to be formed and assess the rights and wrongs of any situation. It allows some to observe only and weigh up the opposing arguments. It helps to strengthen resolve in some and weaken resistance in others. It may be only a few dozen people interacting at any one time but this is teh essence of people power. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jul 17, 2024 16:00:44 GMT
A 'genuine' asylum seeker will be more than happy to escape from whence he came and claim wherever he lands. The asylum system is being usurped and manipulated to allow a multitude of economic migrants, criminals and chancers to elbow their way in. Whingeing about is par for the course as we know it is legal loopholes, cynical lawyers and chancers that are taking us for a ride all in the guise of human rights. It could be fixed tomorrow and the fact it is not is indicative of the fact it is meant to happen and our government will not stop it through a multitude of excuses. Asylum seekers will look for the best place for them to seek asylum, being able to speak the language is one of the main reasons for choice. Safety is another. Nonsense, it is impossible to determine who is a true asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant. That is part of the problem. An economic migrant would want to get registered and find a job so are probably better educated than most and a possible benefit to the UK. The Law is the Law, if you can't change it then don't be doing a Trump act by denigrating the law. Whinging happens when people are discontent but have no answers to the problems around them. While posters like yourself make excuses for whingers. If it could be "fixed tomorrow" it would have been fixed. Your opinions might help you to feel better but they certainly don't help to fix the problem.
Genuine asylum seekers are fleeing their homeland because of safety concerns , they would just want ''out'' to the first safe space , not travelling across continents to get to Calais to wait for their escort across the Channel to the promised land. They certainly would not be perusing asylum travel brochures before putting down hard cash on a dingy to Dover and a all expenses stay in a TravelLodge |
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Post by aristaeus on Jul 18, 2024 6:25:05 GMT
Farage turns up for the pomp of the state opening of parliament, then as soon as it's over, he promptly buggers off to America to cozy up to Trump rather than actually doing work in the commons.
First day at work and he's pulling a sickie. The people of Clacton are so lucky.
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 18, 2024 6:32:46 GMT
They are all fucking off on holiday at the end of next week so nothing is going to get done until September..
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Post by sandypine on Jul 18, 2024 7:39:44 GMT
Asylum seekers will look for the best place for them to seek asylum, being able to speak the language is one of the main reasons for choice. Safety is another. Nonsense, it is impossible to determine who is a true asylum seeker and who is an economic migrant. That is part of the problem. An economic migrant would want to get registered and find a job so are probably better educated than most and a possible benefit to the UK. The Law is the Law, if you can't change it then don't be doing a Trump act by denigrating the law. Whinging happens when people are discontent but have no answers to the problems around them. While posters like yourself make excuses for whingers. If it could be "fixed tomorrow" it would have been fixed. Your opinions might help you to feel better but they certainly don't help to fix the problem.
Genuine asylum seekers are fleeing their homeland because of safety concerns , they would just want ''out'' to the first safe space , not travelling across continents to get to Calais to wait for their escort across the Channel to the promised land. They certainly would not be perusing asylum travel brochures before putting down hard cash on a dingy to Dover and a all expenses stay in a TravelLodge And of course a place of safety would be where they would take their families with them as they left. Not leave them behind in the danger they are fleeing from |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 8:52:52 GMT
Farage turns up for the pomp of the state opening of parliament, then as soon as it's over, he promptly buggers off to America to cozy up to Trump rather than actually doing work in the commons. First day at work and he's pulling a sickie. The people of Clacton are so lucky. You'll be calling him a "manfrog" next! |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 18, 2024 8:56:56 GMT
They are all fucking off on holiday at the end of next week so nothing is going to get done until September.. By the time they return at least another 6000 illegals will have arrived. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 18, 2024 9:29:11 GMT
Whinging on a forum is a waste of time and fixes nothing, direct action would no doubt be a better way of dealing with problems. Even have a better informed knowledge of the problems might help. I have not benefitted from mass immigration, and I am as much against it as so many others. Please don't pretend you are against Mass Immigration, you vociferously defended it year after year at the other Forum. All The Best Please keep your comments credible, I have not denounced Brexit per se, I pointed out that IMO, Brexit, wright or wrong, it was not the right time because of all the underlying weaknesses of the UK. I argued about mass immigration with HH on the other forum, seems that your imagination has let you down again. You obviously live in a world of your imagination. I am against mass immigration certainly since the mass of so called asylum seekers became a problem. I have posted that thanks to 18 Years of Tory mismanagement of the UK, we hit a period of an expanding economy following the election of New Labour, that required all sorts of experienced, trained, educated and professional people that were just not available in the UK at that time. I was in favour of 'Freedom of Movement' in a united Europe, but that is totally different to mass immigration by asylum seekers and economic migrants from the rest of the world. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 18, 2024 9:33:00 GMT
They are all fucking off on holiday at the end of next week so nothing is going to get done until September.. By the time they return at least another 6000 illegals will have arrived. Probably ^, and will no doubt continue for some time thanks to the impossible situation inherited form Tory governments. It will take time to turn things round, I just hope Starmer has some success at some time. |
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