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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 8, 2024 23:10:27 GMT
So, Farage hasn't even got to Parliament, but says that he wants to overturn a referendum. Now, here I happen to agree with him, but doesn't this reek of hypocrisy? Which referendum would he like to overturn? The AV referendum (2011?) |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 0:14:02 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR.
We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jul 9, 2024 6:41:30 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR. We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV. Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 9, 2024 6:48:40 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR. We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV. Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? It is.. |
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Post by Vinny on Jul 9, 2024 6:51:44 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR. We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV. Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? It would be different IF it didn't involve customs union, CAP subsidies or CFP fishing grounds destruction. And Norway has such an arrangement. But why would you want to? It would also result in economic Darwinism, companies leaving us again, and an outsourcing of manufacturing to Eastern Europe, again. It was bad enough last time. We're far better off out. Unemployment fell relative to 2015 and manufacturing has been recovering. www.ons.gov.uk/releases/impactofbluebook2023changesongrossdomesticproduct |
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Post by see2 on Jul 9, 2024 7:13:49 GMT
Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? It would be different IF it didn't involve customs union, CAP subsidies or CFP fishing grounds destruction. And Norway has such an arrangement. But why would you want to? It would also result in economic Darwinism, companies leaving us again, and an outsourcing of manufacturing to Eastern Europe, again. It was bad enough last time. We're far better off out. Unemployment fell relative to 2015 and manufacturing has been recovering. www.ons.gov.uk/releases/impactofbluebook2023changesongrossdomesticproductThe UK was bad enough last time, just blaming it on the EU was a case of looking for an excuse for UK failure. There is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU at any level for at least a couple of generation, by which time Brexit right or wrong will be fully understood. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 9, 2024 11:07:09 GMT
It would be different IF it didn't involve customs union, CAP subsidies or CFP fishing grounds destruction. And Norway has such an arrangement. But why would you want to? It would also result in economic Darwinism, companies leaving us again, and an outsourcing of manufacturing to Eastern Europe, again. It was bad enough last time. We're far better off out. Unemployment fell relative to 2015 and manufacturing has been recovering. www.ons.gov.uk/releases/impactofbluebook2023changesongrossdomesticproductThe UK was bad enough last time, just blaming it on the EU was a case of looking for an excuse for UK failure. There is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU at any level for at least a couple of generation, by which time Brexit right or wrong will be fully understood. It will not be understood if it has never really existed. Closer alignment and better relations are all shorthand for some form of EU membership and EU control. Brexit was about cutting the binding ties with teh EU so that our own decisions could be made in all things. |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 11:13:21 GMT
The UK was bad enough last time, just blaming it on the EU was a case of looking for an excuse for UK failure. There is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU at any level for at least a couple of generation, by which time Brexit right or wrong will be fully understood. It will not be understood if it has never really existed. Closer alignment and better relations are all shorthand for some form of EU membership and EU control. Brexit was about cutting the binding ties with teh EU so that our own decisions could be made in all things. I think everyone outside the deluded new labour bubble are aware that the close you get to the EU , the more rules you take on. Its rinse and repeat from these new labour clowns.. BRINO , and all the other guff that got proposed and rejected countless times post 2016. I was convinced starmer was going to win handsomely and take the uk back into the EU pre the election , now.......im not so sure he has the bottle on no mandate. Some of the hotheads like lammy are screaming about a reset , but starmer is very weak and cautious , especially with Farage sitting in parliament with him watching his every move. We just have to wait and see what starmer does. Im calling him out now.....shitebag. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jul 9, 2024 12:48:02 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR. We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV. Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? I'd have no problem being a member of the Single Market as long as its ONLY remit is trade. That was after all what we agreed to remain a member of back in the 70's. It was only when that trading bloc tried to become a political bloc that the problems started to arise. All The Best |
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 12:53:56 GMT
Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? I'd have no problem being a member of the Single Market as long as its ONLY remit is trade. That was after all what we agreed to remain a member of back in the 70's. It was only when that trading bloc tried to become a political bloc that the problems started to arise. All The Best well we are where we are , and as we all know there is no cherry picking of the EU . you are either in , out , or the closer you get , the more rules you take , the further way the less. It's Groundhog Day , and rinse and repeat. |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 9, 2024 12:54:55 GMT
Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? I'd have no problem being a member of the Single Market as long as its ONLY remit is trade. That was after all what we agreed to remain a member of back in the 70's. It was only when that trading bloc tried to become a political bloc that the problems started to arise. All The Best Which if you have followed enough politics over the last 8 years, you were told it was a natural progression, when it is anything but, a very unnatural progression they got that the wrong way around. |
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Post by sandypine on Jul 9, 2024 13:20:28 GMT
Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? I'd have no problem being a member of the Single Market as long as its ONLY remit is trade. That was after all what we agreed to remain a member of back in the 70's. It was only when that trading bloc tried to become a political bloc that the problems started to arise. All The Best It was always a political project. We should have known that when they effectively snatched our fishing grounds by introducing Council Regulation 2141/70 which became part of all the regs the applicant countries had to accept on obtaining membership. In effect snatching political control over our natural resource and in the process purloining our natural resource. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jul 9, 2024 13:52:44 GMT
AV was rejected. But AV is not D'Hondt PR. We can have a rerfeendum on PR without AV. Would you be happy if I proposed a referendum on membership of the single market and claimed it was different to the membership of the EU? I don’t see the relevance. We rejected Gordon Brown’s fucking stupid idea because it was fucking stupid on its implementation. So much sontgat the Electoral commission agreed it could be LESS proportional than FPTP |
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Post by sheepy on Jul 9, 2024 14:42:32 GMT
I don't much care Farage says he is going to destroy the Tories, he is good at destruction, meanwhile Labour still couldn't fill a village hall themselves so they are self-destructing themselves. There is no love lost between the Westminster party and the electorate.
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Post by thomas on Jul 9, 2024 14:49:50 GMT
I don't much care Farage says he is going to destroy the Tories, he is good at destruction, meanwhile Labour still couldn't fill a village hall themselves so they are self-destructing themselves. There is no love lost between the Westminster party and the electorate. ive been posting on these political forums since the mid 2000s and Steves old forum since 2008 , where we were formerly members of as you know sheep. I well remember labours 2005 victory , and even in 2008 ,after the crash the forums and interwebby was full of them. On Facebook , twitter , social media and these old politics forums , labours supporters this time round are as rare as rocking horse shit. I find it really bizarre. Who the fuck voted them , and where are all the starmerites? I mean , I know they only got 2 / 10 of the electorate , a third of those that could be bothered , but where are they all? are they in hiding already , unable to take responsibility to what they have done? |
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