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Post by see2 on Jun 12, 2024 14:51:55 GMT
Prove the financial figures used by the Tories are Labour's financial figures. Look if you dont like the estimates that the Treasury have come up with then supply your own. If the Treasury are wrong what is the correct cost of this policy? You miss the point purposely of course. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 12, 2024 15:15:45 GMT
Prove the financial figures used by the Tories are Labour's financial figures. Look if you dont like the estimates that the Treasury have come up with then supply your own. If the Treasury are wrong what is the correct cost of this policy? Surely that should be: Even the head of the Civil Service has publicly tries to put some distance between these figures and the reputation of the Civil Service. And remember, even when using rigged numbers designed to make Labour look bad Labour would still not be doing as much "back pocket" harm to the electorate as the Tories HAVE ACTUALLY DONE. When the best fear-mongering you can come up with about Labour is still LESS damaging than what the Tories HAVE done you know things are fucking desperate in the Blue-Rinse Heartlands. All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 12, 2024 17:33:19 GMT
Look if you dont like the estimates that the Treasury have come up with then supply your own. If the Treasury are wrong what is the correct cost of this policy? You miss the point purposely of course. Not at all. You state that you are 100% certain that the Treasury estimates are not true - but then admit you have no idea what the cost is going to be.. |
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Post by om15 on Jun 12, 2024 17:50:44 GMT
I feel that quoting figures is rather misleading, if someone told me that my direct tax will rise by 50% but I would receive health care, dental treatment, children would be properly educated and government officials would go to work and do their jobs I would be quite happy.
What we are faced with is a prospect of increasing direct and indirect taxes, inept and craven government doing what the unions dictate, greater borrowing and a worse health service, we will have power cuts, strikes, piles of rubbish, unburied bodies,food shortages and really thick Northerners telling us we deserve it.
I see Labour are fielding TEENAGE candidates straight from University, article in the DT interviews them, thick as fuck, never been anywhere, done anything or know anything, and these child morons will be voting in whatever shite Mick Lynch demands.
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Post by see2 on Jun 16, 2024 7:01:14 GMT
You miss the point purposely of course. Not at all. You state that you are 100% certain that the Treasury estimates are not true - but then admit you have no idea what the cost is going to be.. Yes you do. I state that the figures are apparently dodgy. It isn't about what the costs are going to be, it is about the dodgy Tory claim of what the costs are going to be. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2024 7:06:09 GMT
Not at all. You state that you are 100% certain that the Treasury estimates are not true - but then admit you have no idea what the cost is going to be.. Yes you do. I state that the figures are apparently dodgy. It isn't about what the costs are going to be, it is about the dodgy Tory claim of what the costs are going to be. Again - how do you know they are dodgy if you have no idea of what the policy will cost? Sounds like some religious mantra - is this all based on faith? |
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Post by see2 on Jun 16, 2024 7:08:35 GMT
I feel that quoting figures is rather misleading, if someone told me that my direct tax will rise by 50% but I would receive health care, dental treatment, children would be properly educated and government officials would go to work and do their jobs I would be quite happy. What we are faced with is a prospect of increasing direct and indirect taxes, inept and craven government doing what the unions dictate, greater borrowing and a worse health service, we will have power cuts, strikes, piles of rubbish, unburied bodies,food shortages and really thick Northerners telling us we deserve it. I see Labour are fielding TEENAGE candidates straight from University, article in the DT interviews them, thick as fuck, never been anywhere, done anything or know anything, and these child morons will be voting in whatever shite Mick Lynch demands. It is a little bit concerning that you come up with so much subjective extreme opinion. You clearly have no recollection of the good done by New Labour after the catastrophe of 18 years of Conservative mismanagement. 1979 to 1997. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 16, 2024 7:16:07 GMT
Yes you do. I state that the figures are apparently dodgy. It isn't about what the costs are going to be, it is about the dodgy Tory claim of what the costs are going to be. Again - how do you know they are dodgy if you have no idea of what the policy will cost? Sounds like some religious mantra - is this all based on faith? Your question is silly. The figures have already been questioned by the Civil Service. You mean, of what the Conservatives have claimed will be the cost. Come on, this is just pre-election dishonesty from the Tories, only to be expected. What would you be posting if the shoe was on the foot? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2024 7:19:17 GMT
Again - how do you know they are dodgy if you have no idea of what the policy will cost? Sounds like some religious mantra - is this all based on faith? Your question is silly. The figures have already been questioned by the Civil Service. You mean, of what the Conservatives have claimed will be the cost. Come on, this is just pre-election dishonesty from the Tories, only to be expected. What would you be posting if the shoe was on the foot? But you are unable to explain why you think the Treasury figures are wrong - it must be something that you take on faith. |
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Post by see2 on Jun 16, 2024 7:24:36 GMT
Your question is silly. The figures have already been questioned by the Civil Service. You mean, of what the Conservatives have claimed will be the cost. Come on, this is just pre-election dishonesty from the Tories, only to be expected. What would you be posting if the shoe was on the foot? But you are unable to explain why you think the Treasury figures are wrong - it must be something that you take on faith. I don't need to the Civil Service have already done it for me. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2024 7:39:10 GMT
But you are unable to explain why you think the Treasury figures are wrong - it must be something that you take on faith. I don't need to the Civil Service have already done it for me. Well lets take the extra Dentist appointments as an example. The Treasury estimate that to supply the extra appointments promised by Labour will cost an extra £40 - £50 Million a year. This is based on the average cost of an appointment at the the present time. So as you believe that figure is far too high - how are Labour proposing to deliver appointments at a lower cost than they are today? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 16, 2024 7:52:47 GMT
Yes you do. I state that the figures are apparently dodgy. It isn't about what the costs are going to be, it is about the dodgy Tory claim of what the costs are going to be. Again - how do you know they are dodgy if you have no idea of what the policy will cost? Sounds like some religious mantra - is this all based on faith? All The Best |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 16, 2024 10:37:04 GMT
Again - how do you know they are dodgy if you have no idea of what the policy will cost? Sounds like some religious mantra - is this all based on faith? All The Best I have just given one example - if you think that basing the estimate on the current cost of providing an appointment is incorrect then please explain why?., |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 16, 2024 11:48:28 GMT
Farage can't stop the boats, the Royal Navy could stop most yet to take them back to France would be used by France with the backing of the EU as an act by a hostile action.
The best he could do would be to build holding camps to work out who they are and where they have come from with a view to sending them home. The MSM's rest of the world would call them concentration camps.
Farage if he indulges in side swipes in the H of C will eventually be kicked out for periods for ungentlemanly conduct or something similar.
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Post by ProVeritas on Jun 16, 2024 11:55:23 GMT
How do you know they are accurate?All The Best I have just given one example - if you think that basing the estimate on the current cost of providing an appointment is incorrect then please explain why?., I don't have to disprove your claims; you have to prove them. What reason do you have to believe those claims are real? Especially given we know, for a fact, Sunak mislead the public about them. All The Best |
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